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Be my baby Ronnets
Is there a sentence here that doesn't belong? "Greg loves this song.." etc.
I think this article focuses too heavily on the song's influence on other people, particularly Brian Wilson, but does not say why this song has had the influence that it did. A big part of that is Phil Spector's "Wall of Sound" technique, which this song is perhaps the finest example thereof. I would also like to see some more discussion of the song's structure, arrangement, lyrical content, etc.
Also - chart performance is not given, which is a bit odd for such a well-known and influential song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.131.186.58 ( talk) 14:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
What is the bizarre object the male person on the cover is holding?
It's a baby
Image:By My Baby single.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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I added Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes Featuring Veronica as the album in the infobox, but someone deleted it, citing that because the single was released over a year in advance that it was not "from" the album. I think this is dubious rationale. Although this is very rare and the concept of lead single and album from the time was not as solid as the industry sees today, I don't think it's false to attach this information. The album was a body of work and not a greatest hits compilation, so I don't see why it couldn't be considered a rare case of lead single coming so far ahead of its parent album. Artists today work just as long on albums, they just typically don't release so much material so well in advance. Thoughts? 73.191.184.198 ( talk) 08:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@ User:Binksternet For the Manchester version, I've provided two references where the subject of the song and it's 50th anniversary are discussed in reputable reliable sources, I can provide more. This meets WP:SONGCOVER
Additionally, the second clause of WP:SongCover is much broader than you tend to interpret.
When we look at WP:NSONGS we find...
Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject[1] of multiple, non-trivial[2] published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries and reviews.
3. "Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups."
Since there is no way to create a second article for a cover version, all that is really required is WP:RS coverage and some mention of the original version. Thus these song covers belong in the Cover section, Charting simply excuses the need for addition coverage. 009o9 ( talk) 05:46, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Binksternet thanks for that! It's not so much in this case, with established artists, but for emerging artists, who have some notability and WP:RS, the notable covers can help them with AfD evaluations of their own articles. IMHO song reuse is good for the industry, for both the established composers/writers and the emerging artists -- they are paying residuals through Sony and others. The industry path to notability has gotten murky and there is a lot of resistance to the YouTube on the Wikipedia, but that's where the "spins" are now. ( see VidStatsX) The times are changing, the product is no longer audio only, it's audio and visual. A lot like the changeover from eight-track to cassette, this one is from MTV to YouTube (and maybe others). Thanks again for hearing me out! 009o9 ( talk) 09:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Why isn't there a "personnel" section here, like with most classic tracks? There's not even a mention of Ronnie Spector singing the lead vocal. Seems a mess. O0drogue0o ( talk) 13:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I looked something up and it says that Cher and Sonny Bono, with Darlene sung backup on this and I do not know if we should use this: https://www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-recording-preservation-board/documents/BE%20MY%20BABY.pdf TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 17:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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Be my baby Ronnets
Is there a sentence here that doesn't belong? "Greg loves this song.." etc.
I think this article focuses too heavily on the song's influence on other people, particularly Brian Wilson, but does not say why this song has had the influence that it did. A big part of that is Phil Spector's "Wall of Sound" technique, which this song is perhaps the finest example thereof. I would also like to see some more discussion of the song's structure, arrangement, lyrical content, etc.
Also - chart performance is not given, which is a bit odd for such a well-known and influential song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.131.186.58 ( talk) 14:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
What is the bizarre object the male person on the cover is holding?
It's a baby
Image:By My Baby single.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 15:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I added Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes Featuring Veronica as the album in the infobox, but someone deleted it, citing that because the single was released over a year in advance that it was not "from" the album. I think this is dubious rationale. Although this is very rare and the concept of lead single and album from the time was not as solid as the industry sees today, I don't think it's false to attach this information. The album was a body of work and not a greatest hits compilation, so I don't see why it couldn't be considered a rare case of lead single coming so far ahead of its parent album. Artists today work just as long on albums, they just typically don't release so much material so well in advance. Thoughts? 73.191.184.198 ( talk) 08:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@ User:Binksternet For the Manchester version, I've provided two references where the subject of the song and it's 50th anniversary are discussed in reputable reliable sources, I can provide more. This meets WP:SONGCOVER
Additionally, the second clause of WP:SongCover is much broader than you tend to interpret.
When we look at WP:NSONGS we find...
Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject[1] of multiple, non-trivial[2] published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries and reviews.
3. "Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups."
Since there is no way to create a second article for a cover version, all that is really required is WP:RS coverage and some mention of the original version. Thus these song covers belong in the Cover section, Charting simply excuses the need for addition coverage. 009o9 ( talk) 05:46, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Binksternet thanks for that! It's not so much in this case, with established artists, but for emerging artists, who have some notability and WP:RS, the notable covers can help them with AfD evaluations of their own articles. IMHO song reuse is good for the industry, for both the established composers/writers and the emerging artists -- they are paying residuals through Sony and others. The industry path to notability has gotten murky and there is a lot of resistance to the YouTube on the Wikipedia, but that's where the "spins" are now. ( see VidStatsX) The times are changing, the product is no longer audio only, it's audio and visual. A lot like the changeover from eight-track to cassette, this one is from MTV to YouTube (and maybe others). Thanks again for hearing me out! 009o9 ( talk) 09:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Why isn't there a "personnel" section here, like with most classic tracks? There's not even a mention of Ronnie Spector singing the lead vocal. Seems a mess. O0drogue0o ( talk) 13:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
I looked something up and it says that Cher and Sonny Bono, with Darlene sung backup on this and I do not know if we should use this: https://www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-recording-preservation-board/documents/BE%20MY%20BABY.pdf TheGreatestLuvofAll ( chat with me ) 17:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)