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this is a gulf and not a bay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.43.240.125 ( talk) 15:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
In shipping practice they also call the Bay of Biscay a 'French Bay'. Once I was looking for some info about French Bay somewhere in France, I couldnt find anything but some French Bays in Canada and Bahamas. I believe it would be of much help to add this name to the article. Also in view of a very short block of history think this is very strange that the fabulous Russian army invasion is almost a half of it. There should be better mentioning of the 14-18th centuries when Spain was the leading maritime force and shipbuilder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.80.111.240 ( talk) 15:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
To be honest - that is real nonsense. I will not start arguing. Its a long story. You know politics often invent history - on any side. "Red Army" did not exist after the WW2 - it was not called so. It was just "Soviet Army". All in all I simply saw anoth fact of propaganda where I never expected to see it. Once again - no time to argue. I am in a shipping business - was just looking around to read about "French bay". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.66.154.250 ( talk) 20:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, what's all this about "potential soviet dominance"? The influence of this body of water on the cold war, Soviet politics and Soviet war strategy is up for debate at best, and at worst just plain silly. At least needs a good source.
I'm another voice in agreement that the section on 'Soviet European dominance' is ridiculous and should be removed. I think its the result partially of errors in translation... but perhaps also in understanding! Either way it doesnt belong in such a short history section, especially when its largely fantasy. I'll remove it if there are no objections. Trefalcon ( talk) 21:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Russian Army nonsense has been removed from the History section. Trefalcon ( talk) 13:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I would like to see something on the geologic history of the Biscay aulocogen --BT —Preceding
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To avoid any confusion I think it's important to explain that in Spain (and for spanish speakers) it is very unusual the name "Bay of Biscay" or "Golfo de Vizcaya", but "Cantabrian Sea" or "Mar Cantábrico". The first one is more used for a specific area near the spanish-french Basque Country and "Cantábrico" for the whole area as it's understood in english as "Bay of Biscay". -- 88.31.193.183 ( talk) 15:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
As other users had pointed, the article should be renamed "Cantabric Sea", as the Gulf of Biscay is only a part of the Cantabric Sea, so its ridiculous to name a whole by one of its parts. Regards,-- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ 21 03:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Bay of Biscay → Cantabric Sea – Cantabric Sea is a more accurate and commonly used name, as it defines the whole sea on the northern coast of Spain (from Galicia to Basque Country, passing through Asturias & Cantabria). In the other hand, Bay of Biscay had been a more historical term, and only covers the Basque Country coast HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
OK, but I dont see the redirection of Cantabric Sea to Bay of Biscay, as it has no sense. If Bay of Biscay covers from Punta de Estaca de Bares to Brest, the Cantabric Sea covers from Punta de Estaca de Bares to Bayonne, so they are not the same, as the Cantabric Sea covers only Spanish coast (with the exception of Bayonne) of the Bay of Biscay. A different article on the Cantabric Sea (or section in the Bay of Biscay article) should be done. Regards,-- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 14:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
This article states that the bay "is named in English after the province of
Biscay, in the Spanish
Basque Country." There is no reference for this statement, and it has been tagged with a citation needed template since May 2010. On 28 October 2012, an IP removed the cn template with the comment, "citation needed that the "bay of biscay" is named after the adjacent province called "biscay"... seriously?". I reverted this, stating "Everything should have a citation".
Earlier today,
user:Florian Blaschke reverted my October edit, calling it "obvious trolling". This is not only untrue, but also an unacceptable personal attack.
I then reverted, commenting, ""Obvious trolling"? What's not obvious is whether the bay is named after the province or vice versa. Everything needs a reference", and Florian then reverted again, commenting, "It IS obvious, see
Biscay#Etymology and stop being
WP:POINTy"
Whilst is is likely that the bay is named after the province, it is not obvious.
Biscay#Etymology implies that the province is named after a land feature, but it does not necessarily follow that the bay is named after the province. Probably it is, but not definitely. I have tried to find a source, but I cannot find one that gives the etymology with any certainty - for example: "It may be named after the Basque province of Biscay."
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In § Climate, paragraph 2, I see
It would be helpful if these translation-equivalents, including Galernas, were each associated with the language they are in, like the Bay's names in various languages in the lede, though not necessarily in the same style.
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this is a gulf and not a bay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.43.240.125 ( talk) 15:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
In shipping practice they also call the Bay of Biscay a 'French Bay'. Once I was looking for some info about French Bay somewhere in France, I couldnt find anything but some French Bays in Canada and Bahamas. I believe it would be of much help to add this name to the article. Also in view of a very short block of history think this is very strange that the fabulous Russian army invasion is almost a half of it. There should be better mentioning of the 14-18th centuries when Spain was the leading maritime force and shipbuilder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.80.111.240 ( talk) 15:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
To be honest - that is real nonsense. I will not start arguing. Its a long story. You know politics often invent history - on any side. "Red Army" did not exist after the WW2 - it was not called so. It was just "Soviet Army". All in all I simply saw anoth fact of propaganda where I never expected to see it. Once again - no time to argue. I am in a shipping business - was just looking around to read about "French bay". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.66.154.250 ( talk) 20:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, what's all this about "potential soviet dominance"? The influence of this body of water on the cold war, Soviet politics and Soviet war strategy is up for debate at best, and at worst just plain silly. At least needs a good source.
I'm another voice in agreement that the section on 'Soviet European dominance' is ridiculous and should be removed. I think its the result partially of errors in translation... but perhaps also in understanding! Either way it doesnt belong in such a short history section, especially when its largely fantasy. I'll remove it if there are no objections. Trefalcon ( talk) 21:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Russian Army nonsense has been removed from the History section. Trefalcon ( talk) 13:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I would like to see something on the geologic history of the Biscay aulocogen --BT —Preceding
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23:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
To avoid any confusion I think it's important to explain that in Spain (and for spanish speakers) it is very unusual the name "Bay of Biscay" or "Golfo de Vizcaya", but "Cantabrian Sea" or "Mar Cantábrico". The first one is more used for a specific area near the spanish-french Basque Country and "Cantábrico" for the whole area as it's understood in english as "Bay of Biscay". -- 88.31.193.183 ( talk) 15:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
As other users had pointed, the article should be renamed "Cantabric Sea", as the Gulf of Biscay is only a part of the Cantabric Sea, so its ridiculous to name a whole by one of its parts. Regards,-- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ 21 03:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Bay of Biscay → Cantabric Sea – Cantabric Sea is a more accurate and commonly used name, as it defines the whole sea on the northern coast of Spain (from Galicia to Basque Country, passing through Asturias & Cantabria). In the other hand, Bay of Biscay had been a more historical term, and only covers the Basque Country coast HCPUNXKID ( talk) 16:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
OK, but I dont see the redirection of Cantabric Sea to Bay of Biscay, as it has no sense. If Bay of Biscay covers from Punta de Estaca de Bares to Brest, the Cantabric Sea covers from Punta de Estaca de Bares to Bayonne, so they are not the same, as the Cantabric Sea covers only Spanish coast (with the exception of Bayonne) of the Bay of Biscay. A different article on the Cantabric Sea (or section in the Bay of Biscay article) should be done. Regards,-- HCPUNXKID ( talk) 14:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
This article states that the bay "is named in English after the province of
Biscay, in the Spanish
Basque Country." There is no reference for this statement, and it has been tagged with a citation needed template since May 2010. On 28 October 2012, an IP removed the cn template with the comment, "citation needed that the "bay of biscay" is named after the adjacent province called "biscay"... seriously?". I reverted this, stating "Everything should have a citation".
Earlier today,
user:Florian Blaschke reverted my October edit, calling it "obvious trolling". This is not only untrue, but also an unacceptable personal attack.
I then reverted, commenting, ""Obvious trolling"? What's not obvious is whether the bay is named after the province or vice versa. Everything needs a reference", and Florian then reverted again, commenting, "It IS obvious, see
Biscay#Etymology and stop being
WP:POINTy"
Whilst is is likely that the bay is named after the province, it is not obvious.
Biscay#Etymology implies that the province is named after a land feature, but it does not necessarily follow that the bay is named after the province. Probably it is, but not definitely. I have tried to find a source, but I cannot find one that gives the etymology with any certainty - for example: "It may be named after the Basque province of Biscay."
[1]
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In § Climate, paragraph 2, I see
It would be helpful if these translation-equivalents, including Galernas, were each associated with the language they are in, like the Bay's names in various languages in the lede, though not necessarily in the same style.