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I have re-written the article with the intention of addressing the issues regarding POV, dubious assertions, and NoFootNotes. I will remove the POV and NoFootNotes flags unless I hear comments that need to be addressed (and maybe will go ahead anyway). MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Should we have one, or should that be relegated to a wikiquotes link? 68.125.54.140 ( talk) 03:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I added an extensive Wikiquotes page and link, but left three examples of quotes for the casual reader. MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
There are a lot of these in the article. I particularly find it unlikely that five major religions would consider him a saint. Clarityfiend 11:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up the article, added a lot of references to support the assertions, and found a source that describes Bawa Muhaiyaddeen as 'saintly'. There may still be some 'gushing' prose, but it does read better. MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Please be more specific in your assertion that there are lots of dubious assertions in the article so that they may be corrected or clarified. I agree that it is unlikely that five major religions would consider him a saint. However, the statement of the article "Certain scholars and leaders from the Islamic, Judaic, Christian, Hindu and Sikh communities considered him a saint." derives from comments of scholars and leaders within those religions and is broadly documented. Furthermore, followers, many of whom are still in the Philadelphia area, are a diverse population of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, at least and there are probably some Sikhs somewhere. That would make it six religions and by your standard, even more dubious. I visited Sri Lanka at the time of the tsunami and met followers of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen there who were Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists who considered him of saintly stature. The head of the Serendib Sufi Study Circle in Jaffna, Sri Lanka, is a practicing Hindu as are people that care for his ashram there and a Mosque by the sea in a village called Mankumban which is located on Kayts Island. The Islam of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen appears to be an inclusive rather than exclusive practice of Islam, for which there is criticism in some circles.
In both Sri Lanka and the U.S. there were more than a few occurrences witnessed which could fall under the category of "miracle" assuming one accepts the existence of such. The population of witnesses is aging and his followers seem unable or unwilling to publicly document them in the first person. They do discuss them anecdotally face-to-face.
I apologize if this edit is in improper format, but I was searching Bawa Muhaiyaddeen on the Wikipedia and this dubious assertions caught my eye. George 01:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
There was a recent edit to add "His followers regard him as the first ever Sufi saint to be buried in the United States." I could find no citation for the belief of his followers in this regard. There have been other Sufis who have been highly regarded and buried in the US prior to the death of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen in 1986 according to the web-sites http://www.aulia-e-hind.com/dargah/Intl/USA.htm and http://www.mysticsaint.info/2008/03/sufi-shrines-in-america.html. I have extracted three examples:
Since there is ample evidence of other Sufi sheikhs buried in the US prior to 1986, I will revert this edit. MilpitasGraham ( talk) 02:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
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I have re-written the article with the intention of addressing the issues regarding POV, dubious assertions, and NoFootNotes. I will remove the POV and NoFootNotes flags unless I hear comments that need to be addressed (and maybe will go ahead anyway). MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Should we have one, or should that be relegated to a wikiquotes link? 68.125.54.140 ( talk) 03:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I added an extensive Wikiquotes page and link, but left three examples of quotes for the casual reader. MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
There are a lot of these in the article. I particularly find it unlikely that five major religions would consider him a saint. Clarityfiend 11:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up the article, added a lot of references to support the assertions, and found a source that describes Bawa Muhaiyaddeen as 'saintly'. There may still be some 'gushing' prose, but it does read better. MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Please be more specific in your assertion that there are lots of dubious assertions in the article so that they may be corrected or clarified. I agree that it is unlikely that five major religions would consider him a saint. However, the statement of the article "Certain scholars and leaders from the Islamic, Judaic, Christian, Hindu and Sikh communities considered him a saint." derives from comments of scholars and leaders within those religions and is broadly documented. Furthermore, followers, many of whom are still in the Philadelphia area, are a diverse population of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, at least and there are probably some Sikhs somewhere. That would make it six religions and by your standard, even more dubious. I visited Sri Lanka at the time of the tsunami and met followers of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen there who were Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists who considered him of saintly stature. The head of the Serendib Sufi Study Circle in Jaffna, Sri Lanka, is a practicing Hindu as are people that care for his ashram there and a Mosque by the sea in a village called Mankumban which is located on Kayts Island. The Islam of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen appears to be an inclusive rather than exclusive practice of Islam, for which there is criticism in some circles.
In both Sri Lanka and the U.S. there were more than a few occurrences witnessed which could fall under the category of "miracle" assuming one accepts the existence of such. The population of witnesses is aging and his followers seem unable or unwilling to publicly document them in the first person. They do discuss them anecdotally face-to-face.
I apologize if this edit is in improper format, but I was searching Bawa Muhaiyaddeen on the Wikipedia and this dubious assertions caught my eye. George 01:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
MilpitasGraham ( talk) 00:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
There was a recent edit to add "His followers regard him as the first ever Sufi saint to be buried in the United States." I could find no citation for the belief of his followers in this regard. There have been other Sufis who have been highly regarded and buried in the US prior to the death of Bawa Muhaiyaddeen in 1986 according to the web-sites http://www.aulia-e-hind.com/dargah/Intl/USA.htm and http://www.mysticsaint.info/2008/03/sufi-shrines-in-america.html. I have extracted three examples:
Since there is ample evidence of other Sufi sheikhs buried in the US prior to 1986, I will revert this edit. MilpitasGraham ( talk) 02:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
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