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Re: Original Baudot, Continental European
Tree4rest ( talk) 22:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Does anybody know what the characters shown as superscripted, double-underlined letters in the left-hand chart of "Fig 1. The Baudot code" of the reference for the charts in "Original Baudot, Continental European" are? The letters appear to be capital "F", capital "H", capital or lower-case "O"/"o", and lower-case "t". I tried some Web searching, but didn't find anything obvious. Guy Harris ( talk) 05:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
How is this
Europe | sort keys | UK | sort keys | ||||||||||||||
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V | IV | I | II | III | Continental | Gray | Let. | Fig. | V | IV | I | II | III | UK | |||
- | - | - | |||||||||||||||
A | 1 | ● | A | 1 | ● | ||||||||||||
É | & | ● | ● | / | 1/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
E | 2 | ● | E | 2 | ● | ||||||||||||
I | o | ● | ● | I | 3/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
O | 5 | ● | ● | ● | O | 5 | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
U | 4 | ● | ● | U | 4 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
Y | 3 | ● | Y | 3 | ● | ||||||||||||
● | B | 8 | ● | B | 8 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | C | 9 | ● | ● | C | 9 | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | D | 0 | ● | ● | ● | D | 0 | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | F | f | ● | ● | F | 5/ | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | G | 7 | ● | G | 7 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | H | h | ● | ● | H | ¹ | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | J | 6 | ● | J | 6 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | Figure | Blank | Fig. | Bl. | ● | ||||||||||||
● | ● | Erasure | Erasure | * | * | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | ● | K | ( | ● | K | ( | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | ● | L | = | ● | ● | L | = | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | ● | M | ) | ● | M | ) | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | ● | N | N° | ● | ● | N | £ | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | ● | P | % | ● | ● | ● | P | + | ● | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||
● | ● | Q | / | ● | ● | Q | / | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | ● | R | – | ● | R | – | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | S | ; | ● | S | 7/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | T | ! | ● | ● | T | ² | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | V | ' | ● | ● | ● | V | ¹ | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | W | ? | ● | ● | W | ? | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | X | , | ● | X | 9/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | Z | : | ● | ● | Z | : | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | t | . | ● | – | . | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | Blank | Letter | Bl. | Let. | ● |
meant to be an improvement on this?
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In my browser, the first one has a huge whitespace to the right. The second version you tried leaves behind a key that will be baffling to the reader. Spinning Spark 17:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I notice the table headers that say "sort keys" don't work. I have no idea if that has anything to do with the above discussion. 2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 ( talk) 23:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
While continental order looks rather logical to code both vowels and consonants in their natural order on 5 bits (31 values), what is supposed to be the inland/British logic?
Is it more an order for coding numbers on 4 bits (15 values)? a reuse of any previous code? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.202.154 ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
People have already mentioned problems with accessibility of the table's backend code... but the table layout itself is inaccessible even to sighted, first-language-English readers, let alone blind or ESL ones.
How is someone using a screen reader meant to be able to understand the bit patterns, from this table? There's no earthly way! How does a screen reader read a blank column? A column containing nothing but a bulletpoint?
What's the rationale for having Gray code be the default ordering? For ordering by Gray code at all? For having each of the value columns twice? For having each bit of the value in a separate column? For having the value columns randomly positioned within the table? For bulletpoints and spaces instead of either the traditional plusses and minuses to indicate telegraph wire polarity, or modern 1s and 0s? For having "Let" and "Fig" headings in the UK but not Eur side? For not having those columns sortable? For splitting the "sort keys" columns? For even having the "sort keys" columns in the first place? For inconsistently calling it "Europe" in one place, "Continental" in another? For abbreviating items on the UK side only? Why are the erasure codes incorrectly marked as asterisks in the UK side? Why are the underlined "F H O T" in Eur displayed in lowercase, rather than the more canonical uppercase? Why is the Fig by "V" marked as a superscript "1" rather than an apostrophe "'"? ...
As someone who knows nothing, and who comes to an encyclopaedia for answers, none of this made any sense. So I dug into it for a few hours, and my proposal is below. I have not "been bold" and made the change, as I accept that I am a complete ignoramus in this area, and I have likely made at least a few egregious errors.
I am far from qualified to do any of this. I know nothing, and Googling around the matter for hours has failed me.
code | Europe | UK | ||||
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binary | keyboard | type-wheel | LTRS | FIGS | LTRS | FIGS |
00000 | ④⑤:①②③ |
①②③④⑤ |
Undefined | Undefined | Undefined | Undefined |
00001 | ④⑤:❶②③ |
❶②③④⑤ |
A | 1 | A | 1 |
00010 | ④⑤:①❷③ |
①❷③④⑤ |
E | 2 | E | 2 |
00100 | ④⑤:①②❸ |
①②❸④⑤ |
Y | 3 | Y | 3 |
01001 | ❹⑤:❶②③ |
❶②③❹⑤ |
J | 6 | J | 6 |
10010 | ④❺:①❷③ |
①❷③④❺ |
X | , | X | 9/ |
00101 | ④⑤:❶②❸ |
❶②❸④⑤ |
U | 4 | U | 4 |
01010 | ❹⑤:①❷③ |
①❷③❹⑤ |
G | 7 | G | 7 |
10101 | ④❺:❶②❸ |
❶②❸④❺ |
T | ! | T | ² |
01011 | ❹⑤:❶❷③ |
❶❷③❹⑤ |
H | h | H | ¹ |
10110 | ④❺:①❷❸ |
①❷❸④❺ |
W | ? | W | ? |
01101 | ❹⑤:❶②❸ |
❶②❸❹⑤ |
C | 9 | C | 9 |
11010 | ❹❺:①❷③ |
①❷③❹❺ |
M | ) | M | ) |
10100 | ④❺:①②❸ |
①②❸④❺ |
S | ; | S | 7/ |
01000 | ❹⑤:①②③ |
①②③❹⑤ |
Figure | Blank | Figure | Blank |
10001 | ④❺:❶②③ |
❶②③④❺ |
t | . | – | . |
00011 | ④⑤:❶❷③ |
❶❷③④⑤ |
É | & | / | 1/ |
00110 | ④⑤:①❷❸ |
①❷❸④⑤ |
I | o | I | 3/ |
01100 | ❹⑤:①②❸ |
①②❸❹⑤ |
B | 8 | B | 8 |
11001 | ❹❺:❶②③ |
❶②③❹❺ |
K | ( | K | ( |
10011 | ④❺:❶❷③ |
❶❷③④❺ |
Z | : | Z | : |
00111 | ④⑤:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸④⑤ |
O | 5 | O | 5 |
01111 | ❹⑤:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸❹⑤ |
D | 0 | D | 0 |
11111 | ❹❺:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸❹❺ |
P | % | P | + |
11110 | ❹❺:①❷❸ |
①❷❸❹❺ |
N | N° | N | £ |
11101 | ❹❺:❶②❸ |
❶②❸❹❺ |
Q | / | Q | / |
11011 | ❹❺:❶❷③ |
❶❷③❹❺ |
L | = | L | = |
10111 | ④❺:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸④❺ |
V | ' | V | ' |
01110 | ❹⑤:①❷❸ |
①❷❸❹⑤ |
F | f | F | 5/ |
11100 | ❹❺:①②❸ |
①②❸❹❺ |
R | – | R | – |
11000 | ❹❺:①②③ |
①②③❹❺ |
Erasure | Erasure | Erasure | Erasure |
10000 | ④❺:①②③ |
①②③④❺ |
Blank | Letter | Blank | Letter |
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Re: Original Baudot, Continental European
Tree4rest ( talk) 22:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Does anybody know what the characters shown as superscripted, double-underlined letters in the left-hand chart of "Fig 1. The Baudot code" of the reference for the charts in "Original Baudot, Continental European" are? The letters appear to be capital "F", capital "H", capital or lower-case "O"/"o", and lower-case "t". I tried some Web searching, but didn't find anything obvious. Guy Harris ( talk) 05:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
How is this
Europe | sort keys | UK | sort keys | ||||||||||||||
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V | IV | I | II | III | Continental | Gray | Let. | Fig. | V | IV | I | II | III | UK | |||
- | - | - | |||||||||||||||
A | 1 | ● | A | 1 | ● | ||||||||||||
É | & | ● | ● | / | 1/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
E | 2 | ● | E | 2 | ● | ||||||||||||
I | o | ● | ● | I | 3/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
O | 5 | ● | ● | ● | O | 5 | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
U | 4 | ● | ● | U | 4 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
Y | 3 | ● | Y | 3 | ● | ||||||||||||
● | B | 8 | ● | B | 8 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | C | 9 | ● | ● | C | 9 | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | D | 0 | ● | ● | ● | D | 0 | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | F | f | ● | ● | F | 5/ | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | G | 7 | ● | G | 7 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | H | h | ● | ● | H | ¹ | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | J | 6 | ● | J | 6 | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | Figure | Blank | Fig. | Bl. | ● | ||||||||||||
● | ● | Erasure | Erasure | * | * | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | ● | K | ( | ● | K | ( | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | ● | L | = | ● | ● | L | = | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | ● | M | ) | ● | M | ) | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | ● | N | N° | ● | ● | N | £ | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | ● | P | % | ● | ● | ● | P | + | ● | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||
● | ● | Q | / | ● | ● | Q | / | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | ● | R | – | ● | R | – | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | S | ; | ● | S | 7/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | T | ! | ● | ● | T | ² | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | V | ' | ● | ● | ● | V | ¹ | ● | ● | ● | ● | ||||||
● | W | ? | ● | ● | W | ? | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | X | , | ● | X | 9/ | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | Z | : | ● | ● | Z | : | ● | ● | ● | ||||||||
● | t | . | ● | – | . | ● | ● | ||||||||||
● | Blank | Letter | Bl. | Let. | ● |
meant to be an improvement on this?
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In my browser, the first one has a huge whitespace to the right. The second version you tried leaves behind a key that will be baffling to the reader. Spinning Spark 17:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I notice the table headers that say "sort keys" don't work. I have no idea if that has anything to do with the above discussion. 2602:24A:DE47:BA60:8FCB:EA4E:7FBD:4814 ( talk) 23:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
While continental order looks rather logical to code both vowels and consonants in their natural order on 5 bits (31 values), what is supposed to be the inland/British logic?
Is it more an order for coding numbers on 4 bits (15 values)? a reuse of any previous code? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.202.154 ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
People have already mentioned problems with accessibility of the table's backend code... but the table layout itself is inaccessible even to sighted, first-language-English readers, let alone blind or ESL ones.
How is someone using a screen reader meant to be able to understand the bit patterns, from this table? There's no earthly way! How does a screen reader read a blank column? A column containing nothing but a bulletpoint?
What's the rationale for having Gray code be the default ordering? For ordering by Gray code at all? For having each of the value columns twice? For having each bit of the value in a separate column? For having the value columns randomly positioned within the table? For bulletpoints and spaces instead of either the traditional plusses and minuses to indicate telegraph wire polarity, or modern 1s and 0s? For having "Let" and "Fig" headings in the UK but not Eur side? For not having those columns sortable? For splitting the "sort keys" columns? For even having the "sort keys" columns in the first place? For inconsistently calling it "Europe" in one place, "Continental" in another? For abbreviating items on the UK side only? Why are the erasure codes incorrectly marked as asterisks in the UK side? Why are the underlined "F H O T" in Eur displayed in lowercase, rather than the more canonical uppercase? Why is the Fig by "V" marked as a superscript "1" rather than an apostrophe "'"? ...
As someone who knows nothing, and who comes to an encyclopaedia for answers, none of this made any sense. So I dug into it for a few hours, and my proposal is below. I have not "been bold" and made the change, as I accept that I am a complete ignoramus in this area, and I have likely made at least a few egregious errors.
I am far from qualified to do any of this. I know nothing, and Googling around the matter for hours has failed me.
code | Europe | UK | ||||
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binary | keyboard | type-wheel | LTRS | FIGS | LTRS | FIGS |
00000 | ④⑤:①②③ |
①②③④⑤ |
Undefined | Undefined | Undefined | Undefined |
00001 | ④⑤:❶②③ |
❶②③④⑤ |
A | 1 | A | 1 |
00010 | ④⑤:①❷③ |
①❷③④⑤ |
E | 2 | E | 2 |
00100 | ④⑤:①②❸ |
①②❸④⑤ |
Y | 3 | Y | 3 |
01001 | ❹⑤:❶②③ |
❶②③❹⑤ |
J | 6 | J | 6 |
10010 | ④❺:①❷③ |
①❷③④❺ |
X | , | X | 9/ |
00101 | ④⑤:❶②❸ |
❶②❸④⑤ |
U | 4 | U | 4 |
01010 | ❹⑤:①❷③ |
①❷③❹⑤ |
G | 7 | G | 7 |
10101 | ④❺:❶②❸ |
❶②❸④❺ |
T | ! | T | ² |
01011 | ❹⑤:❶❷③ |
❶❷③❹⑤ |
H | h | H | ¹ |
10110 | ④❺:①❷❸ |
①❷❸④❺ |
W | ? | W | ? |
01101 | ❹⑤:❶②❸ |
❶②❸❹⑤ |
C | 9 | C | 9 |
11010 | ❹❺:①❷③ |
①❷③❹❺ |
M | ) | M | ) |
10100 | ④❺:①②❸ |
①②❸④❺ |
S | ; | S | 7/ |
01000 | ❹⑤:①②③ |
①②③❹⑤ |
Figure | Blank | Figure | Blank |
10001 | ④❺:❶②③ |
❶②③④❺ |
t | . | – | . |
00011 | ④⑤:❶❷③ |
❶❷③④⑤ |
É | & | / | 1/ |
00110 | ④⑤:①❷❸ |
①❷❸④⑤ |
I | o | I | 3/ |
01100 | ❹⑤:①②❸ |
①②❸❹⑤ |
B | 8 | B | 8 |
11001 | ❹❺:❶②③ |
❶②③❹❺ |
K | ( | K | ( |
10011 | ④❺:❶❷③ |
❶❷③④❺ |
Z | : | Z | : |
00111 | ④⑤:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸④⑤ |
O | 5 | O | 5 |
01111 | ❹⑤:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸❹⑤ |
D | 0 | D | 0 |
11111 | ❹❺:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸❹❺ |
P | % | P | + |
11110 | ❹❺:①❷❸ |
①❷❸❹❺ |
N | N° | N | £ |
11101 | ❹❺:❶②❸ |
❶②❸❹❺ |
Q | / | Q | / |
11011 | ❹❺:❶❷③ |
❶❷③❹❺ |
L | = | L | = |
10111 | ④❺:❶❷❸ |
❶❷❸④❺ |
V | ' | V | ' |
01110 | ❹⑤:①❷❸ |
①❷❸❹⑤ |
F | f | F | 5/ |
11100 | ❹❺:①②❸ |
①②❸❹❺ |
R | – | R | – |
11000 | ❹❺:①②③ |
①②③❹❺ |
Erasure | Erasure | Erasure | Erasure |
10000 | ④❺:①②③ |
①②③④❺ |
Blank | Letter | Blank | Letter |
DewiMorgan ( talk) 03:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)