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Bau Island has a much richer and significant history which needs more detail than indicated here, please help contribute to make this a better encyclopedia article, when I take my next trip to the National archives I will try and retrieve more information. Vinaka MB ( talk) 22:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was page moved. ukexpat ( talk) 20:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Bau Island →
Bau (island) — As far as I can tell, the name of the Fijian island is "Bau", not "Bau Island". The external links, despite the way they're styled on the Wikipedia page, use "Bau", and the traditional title
Vunivalu of Bau would seem to support the case that "Bau" is the island's name. The books
Fiji and the Fijians and
The Cambridge History of the Pacific Islanders both use "Bau" as the island's name exclusively.--
84.92.117.93 (
talk)
16:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
From User_talk:Schwyz
Are you sure about that move? Is the common name for the island "Bau Island" or just "Bau"? If the latter, then Bau (island) was probably correct. – ukexpat ( talk) 15:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I have moved it back per the above. – ukexpat ( talk) 18:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
(I was made aware of this discussion by a pointer at WT:D#Bau (island)/Bau Island). I agree with Ukexpat that the name Bau Island implies that this is a proper noun and could give the erroneous impression that the island's offical name is Bau Island. For geographic names where disambiguation is needed, the standard practice per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic_names)#Disambiguation is:
So in the case of this article, the preferred name would be Bau, Fiji, Bau (Fiji), or Bau (island) and I'd support moving the article to whichever of these options is the most appropriate. In my opinion, we should not be making up a nonexistent name for this island, which appears to be the case with the current Bau Island title. If other ambiguous articles on Fijian islands also have the problematic X Island name, they ought to be moved as well; perhaps a group move request nomination is warranted? -- Muchness ( talk) 07:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
The more I think about this, the more it worries me. Could you imagine renaming the Greenland article to Greenland Island, or Maui to Maui Island? If we don't have definite proof that Bau Island is the preferred proper name, it should definitely be Bau (island). -- JaGa talk 16:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
There should probably be something said about the usage of Mbau in 19th century sources.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 07:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I am unhappy with the History section.
I checked some of the references and they are incorrectly interpreted in some places.
For the Tukutuku Raraba this is an oral history as recorded by the Native Lands Commission (NLC) and I believe the names are those as recorded by the oral history of the chiefly clan of the Rasau title in Lomaloma who are descended from an exiled senior line of the Roko Tui Bau.
The names conflict with those in the Tukutuku by members of the dynasty that replaced them, as recorded from accounts of those actually resident on the island at the time of the NLC inquiries.
This is not surprising since oral histories often conflict and the NLC recorded verbatim what they were told by elders of each tribe.
I believe a decision needs to be made about which Tukutuku needs to be accepted.
The tukutuku themselves as sources might need to be looked at. The subject of the tukutuku is also source of the information, so it might not qualify as a proper wikipedia source.
Perhaps they can be accepted as fact if there are no contradictory tukutuku in existence. But if there are contradictory versions, then independent sources need to be looked at.
Any thoughts?
Tukutukudina ( talk) 04:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
good suggestion and maybe reference both tukutuku and share the variation and why there is a variation, I don't have access to it here but maybe you could do this undertaking Tukutukudina.
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Bau Island has a much richer and significant history which needs more detail than indicated here, please help contribute to make this a better encyclopedia article, when I take my next trip to the National archives I will try and retrieve more information. Vinaka MB ( talk) 22:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was page moved. ukexpat ( talk) 20:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Bau Island →
Bau (island) — As far as I can tell, the name of the Fijian island is "Bau", not "Bau Island". The external links, despite the way they're styled on the Wikipedia page, use "Bau", and the traditional title
Vunivalu of Bau would seem to support the case that "Bau" is the island's name. The books
Fiji and the Fijians and
The Cambridge History of the Pacific Islanders both use "Bau" as the island's name exclusively.--
84.92.117.93 (
talk)
16:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
From User_talk:Schwyz
Are you sure about that move? Is the common name for the island "Bau Island" or just "Bau"? If the latter, then Bau (island) was probably correct. – ukexpat ( talk) 15:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I have moved it back per the above. – ukexpat ( talk) 18:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
(I was made aware of this discussion by a pointer at WT:D#Bau (island)/Bau Island). I agree with Ukexpat that the name Bau Island implies that this is a proper noun and could give the erroneous impression that the island's offical name is Bau Island. For geographic names where disambiguation is needed, the standard practice per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic_names)#Disambiguation is:
So in the case of this article, the preferred name would be Bau, Fiji, Bau (Fiji), or Bau (island) and I'd support moving the article to whichever of these options is the most appropriate. In my opinion, we should not be making up a nonexistent name for this island, which appears to be the case with the current Bau Island title. If other ambiguous articles on Fijian islands also have the problematic X Island name, they ought to be moved as well; perhaps a group move request nomination is warranted? -- Muchness ( talk) 07:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
The more I think about this, the more it worries me. Could you imagine renaming the Greenland article to Greenland Island, or Maui to Maui Island? If we don't have definite proof that Bau Island is the preferred proper name, it should definitely be Bau (island). -- JaGa talk 16:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
There should probably be something said about the usage of Mbau in 19th century sources.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 07:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I am unhappy with the History section.
I checked some of the references and they are incorrectly interpreted in some places.
For the Tukutuku Raraba this is an oral history as recorded by the Native Lands Commission (NLC) and I believe the names are those as recorded by the oral history of the chiefly clan of the Rasau title in Lomaloma who are descended from an exiled senior line of the Roko Tui Bau.
The names conflict with those in the Tukutuku by members of the dynasty that replaced them, as recorded from accounts of those actually resident on the island at the time of the NLC inquiries.
This is not surprising since oral histories often conflict and the NLC recorded verbatim what they were told by elders of each tribe.
I believe a decision needs to be made about which Tukutuku needs to be accepted.
The tukutuku themselves as sources might need to be looked at. The subject of the tukutuku is also source of the information, so it might not qualify as a proper wikipedia source.
Perhaps they can be accepted as fact if there are no contradictory tukutuku in existence. But if there are contradictory versions, then independent sources need to be looked at.
Any thoughts?
Tukutukudina ( talk) 04:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
good suggestion and maybe reference both tukutuku and share the variation and why there is a variation, I don't have access to it here but maybe you could do this undertaking Tukutukudina.
Vinaka User:Maikeli March 1st 2013
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