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Why is the UK listed as a country of origin? Thats is nonsense! The original mini-series was a US production with UK involvement that was filmed in Canada but the series is clearly an American production that also airs in the UK. The US should be listed as the country of origin and UK should be removed. -- 84.153.40.191 15:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
How did the "UK" co-produce the series, I think you are talking about the mini-series and first season anyway, which was partially FINANCED (not produced) by a UK TV network and not the "UK". The series as far as I know is produced by Sci-Fi network (USA) and it now airs in the US first, months earlier than in the UK. It was also created by an American, is written by Americans, and is a new version of an American show and it certainly isn't made for a British audience - if it gets cancelled or renewed it is because of ratings in the States - regardless of how many people in the UK watch. This is just more wikipedian nationalist nonsense. The series is clearly American but some people in Canada and the UK apparently are determined to clutch at straws to claim a show that is clearly more American than anything else, regardless of where its filmed and what networks payed a "portion" of the financing for the mini-series. A British show it is not but you know that yourself. -- 84.153.40.191 16:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this is BS. I'd like to see someone point out exactly what the UK contribution is to this show beyond a couple of actors, which can be said about almost anything. This is an American show filmed in Canada with mostly US/Can cast. BSG episodes emphatically do not air first in the UK. Badgerpatrol 12:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is strangely organized, with low-importance points at the same level as major sections. I would take the existing text and organize it something like this:
* 1 Plot (incorporate plot elements currently listed under "Synopsis" * 2 Cast ** 2.1 Main characters ** 2.2 Supporting characters ** 2.3 Recurring guest stars * 3 BSG Universe ** 3.1 Military rank structure * 4 Production ** 4.1 Season one ** 4.2 Season two ** 4.3 Webisodes ** 4.4 Season three ** 4.5 Main title * 5 Future developments ** 5.1 Spin-offs ** 5.2 Tie-in novels * 6 Awards and honors * 7 References * 8 See also * 9 External links
This organization would invite contributors to include subsections about other aspects of the background (for example, the Cylons). Some of the existing material could also be summarized into subordinate articles.
I won't unilaterally reorganize the article without some discussion (or at least tacit approval) and I don't plan to rewrite a lot of actual text in the short term; I just want to make it easier for other people to fill in relevant details. Avt tor 19:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
HI! I'm a big BG fan! I don't know about the following from Schisms - Sagitarons, for instance, take a literal interpretation of the Sacred Scroll, avoid modern medicine ("The Woman King"), and oppose abortion. I thought it was Geminons that opposed abortion, as when the girl stowed away on board Galactica. HillaryMawdesley 07:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't an episode list article be created and then linked to this article? 88wolfmaster 21:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
In some way should we list the ratings the show has generated? It definetly got attention with the numbers it pulled for a sci fi show, then in season three had a dramatic slump for what it had been (almost 30% loss of viewers on average) yet now is climbing again. Especially for a niche like science fiction where dominant ratings are rare, that seems somewhat encyclopedia appropriate and their must be neilson or whatever ratings they use for it somewhere that can be linked if not already. In fact for a show, what more important stat is there then who's watching it? Just an idea.
My very minor edit adding start and end dates to Katee Sackhoff's character Starbuck was reverted, and somewhat surprisingly I might add. Her character was seen to have died, and it has been reported that, at the very least, the episode Maelstrom was her last for the season. Shall we re-add a (2004-2007) mark to her entry on the main page until (and if) further information surfaces? Redreth 03:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that AdamDeanHall has made the edit. Thanks. Redreth 20:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
then a note stating that katee's name was removed from the opening credits after starbuck's "death" should be included at least... - Xornok 06:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Strangnet i dont see how the note: *Was removed from the opening titles starting with episode 3.18, "The Son Also Rises" is a spoiler (yes it implies something but it doesnt give anything away).--88wolfmaster 23:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Being removed from screen credits doesn't mean jack... it's an old ploy to make you think a missing character is really off the show for good, and has been done many times before.
Reminder: in the original series (or rather, in the dismal spinoff), Starbuck hits a Cylon ship, crashes and is left for dead, rebuilds a Cylon from parts of the crashed centurions, and (apparently) somehow retroactively fathers or at least becomes godfather to a child who helps the colonists eventually find Earth, and "ascends" to the Ship of Light (that part was unaired). Despite its intelligence and some obvious gender-bender changes, the new series has overall remained faithfull to the major arcs of the original series (the dead son, the Pegasus, etc), so when Katee went down in a blaze of glory, I just sort of assumed "oh, they're doing THAT one this week..." and figured they'd be getting back to her later on. Let's face it, if she was REALLY off the show, Katee wouldn't be under a gag order although there are indications we might not see her for a while. Then again, the boneheads may have her wake up on the resurrection ship... who knows? Let's hope they at least retain the "No Boxey" sensibility and forgo Dr. Zee as well... (children in space are always the result of second-string writers being whipped by clueless marketing execs long after the original writers have left, and usually appear soon after the series' obligatory "Western" or "Cultural Revolution" episode, in a pathetic attempt by second-string writers to "get in touch" with a younger audience, further alienating any connection with their real audience (with all due respect to Firefly, which was awesome as a western from day one)) -- Bif the Mildly Timid
Like I was saying...not dead yet....and they just had a credit for Katee at the end.--88wolfmaster 03:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok now that the season is over their are a couple things we need to discuss:
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help)I know that there's a trend to try to reduce the number of fair use images in any given article, but this show is "Battlestar Galactica," so doesn't it make sense to show just one image of the battlestar, Galactica? Other things that are iconic to this and the previous series, any one or two of which might help to establish some visual context:
I don't think any of the characters are iconic enough on their own to be shown outside of the cast picture. This really is an ensemble show, after all. - Harmil 20:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
"He" is a term used too broadly, "she" has not been used.. "It" is neuter. As the doctor states "he" is used, but there's never been any evidence to suggest true sex of the Cylon's god. Matthew 18:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
So there have been a few edits and reverts around the text in the Cylon Monotheism section about which personal pronoun to use for the Cylon god. Some advocate the use of "He/She", some "He" and others "it". I have recollection of several references in the show talking about "he" and "him". I do not recall any references to "she". I would like to propose that we agree on something, rather than continually making changes.
Some quotes to support this:
So we have actual Cyclons and the main creative force behind the show using the term "he". Therefore, barring any evidence to the contrary I would suggest that we use the masculine pronoun when referring to the Cylon god (i.e,. use "he" and "him"), and not capitalize it. I welcome other opinions with quoted sources. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 18:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
At the bequest of Alucard, here. The Cylon god is clearly referred to as He (both verbally and in the captioning/subtitles on the DVD). It's fairly straightforward. Chiss Boy 21:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
When there were so many reverts going on, I thought it best to discuss rather than keep on reverting. I will change it as I proposed. Hopefully if anyone objects they will do so here. Thanks for your time. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 21:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
a) Not only Western monotheisms have those traits.
b) Can you list some of these "Western" monotheisms? Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all often considered to be MIDDLE EASTERN or SOUTHWESTERN ASIAN religions--they are definitely not Western in origin. Zorostrianism and Chinese monotheism also have many of those traits, and they even more definitely are not Western religions. Why do you insist on putting in Western when that is inaccurate?
Chiss Boy 19:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Who added the bit about the part about being fruitful? That wasn't Boomer, it was the blonde connected to Gaius (Gina?), and where does Athena come into this? Guessing that the Wikipedian who put that in was using the reference to the tomb of Athena and Boomer's statement that the tomb does exist even though the human polytheism is a bunch of bunk (so is the Cylon monotheism). Chiss Boy 10:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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Why is the UK listed as a country of origin? Thats is nonsense! The original mini-series was a US production with UK involvement that was filmed in Canada but the series is clearly an American production that also airs in the UK. The US should be listed as the country of origin and UK should be removed. -- 84.153.40.191 15:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
How did the "UK" co-produce the series, I think you are talking about the mini-series and first season anyway, which was partially FINANCED (not produced) by a UK TV network and not the "UK". The series as far as I know is produced by Sci-Fi network (USA) and it now airs in the US first, months earlier than in the UK. It was also created by an American, is written by Americans, and is a new version of an American show and it certainly isn't made for a British audience - if it gets cancelled or renewed it is because of ratings in the States - regardless of how many people in the UK watch. This is just more wikipedian nationalist nonsense. The series is clearly American but some people in Canada and the UK apparently are determined to clutch at straws to claim a show that is clearly more American than anything else, regardless of where its filmed and what networks payed a "portion" of the financing for the mini-series. A British show it is not but you know that yourself. -- 84.153.40.191 16:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this is BS. I'd like to see someone point out exactly what the UK contribution is to this show beyond a couple of actors, which can be said about almost anything. This is an American show filmed in Canada with mostly US/Can cast. BSG episodes emphatically do not air first in the UK. Badgerpatrol 12:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is strangely organized, with low-importance points at the same level as major sections. I would take the existing text and organize it something like this:
* 1 Plot (incorporate plot elements currently listed under "Synopsis" * 2 Cast ** 2.1 Main characters ** 2.2 Supporting characters ** 2.3 Recurring guest stars * 3 BSG Universe ** 3.1 Military rank structure * 4 Production ** 4.1 Season one ** 4.2 Season two ** 4.3 Webisodes ** 4.4 Season three ** 4.5 Main title * 5 Future developments ** 5.1 Spin-offs ** 5.2 Tie-in novels * 6 Awards and honors * 7 References * 8 See also * 9 External links
This organization would invite contributors to include subsections about other aspects of the background (for example, the Cylons). Some of the existing material could also be summarized into subordinate articles.
I won't unilaterally reorganize the article without some discussion (or at least tacit approval) and I don't plan to rewrite a lot of actual text in the short term; I just want to make it easier for other people to fill in relevant details. Avt tor 19:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
HI! I'm a big BG fan! I don't know about the following from Schisms - Sagitarons, for instance, take a literal interpretation of the Sacred Scroll, avoid modern medicine ("The Woman King"), and oppose abortion. I thought it was Geminons that opposed abortion, as when the girl stowed away on board Galactica. HillaryMawdesley 07:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't an episode list article be created and then linked to this article? 88wolfmaster 21:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
In some way should we list the ratings the show has generated? It definetly got attention with the numbers it pulled for a sci fi show, then in season three had a dramatic slump for what it had been (almost 30% loss of viewers on average) yet now is climbing again. Especially for a niche like science fiction where dominant ratings are rare, that seems somewhat encyclopedia appropriate and their must be neilson or whatever ratings they use for it somewhere that can be linked if not already. In fact for a show, what more important stat is there then who's watching it? Just an idea.
My very minor edit adding start and end dates to Katee Sackhoff's character Starbuck was reverted, and somewhat surprisingly I might add. Her character was seen to have died, and it has been reported that, at the very least, the episode Maelstrom was her last for the season. Shall we re-add a (2004-2007) mark to her entry on the main page until (and if) further information surfaces? Redreth 03:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that AdamDeanHall has made the edit. Thanks. Redreth 20:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
then a note stating that katee's name was removed from the opening credits after starbuck's "death" should be included at least... - Xornok 06:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Strangnet i dont see how the note: *Was removed from the opening titles starting with episode 3.18, "The Son Also Rises" is a spoiler (yes it implies something but it doesnt give anything away).--88wolfmaster 23:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Being removed from screen credits doesn't mean jack... it's an old ploy to make you think a missing character is really off the show for good, and has been done many times before.
Reminder: in the original series (or rather, in the dismal spinoff), Starbuck hits a Cylon ship, crashes and is left for dead, rebuilds a Cylon from parts of the crashed centurions, and (apparently) somehow retroactively fathers or at least becomes godfather to a child who helps the colonists eventually find Earth, and "ascends" to the Ship of Light (that part was unaired). Despite its intelligence and some obvious gender-bender changes, the new series has overall remained faithfull to the major arcs of the original series (the dead son, the Pegasus, etc), so when Katee went down in a blaze of glory, I just sort of assumed "oh, they're doing THAT one this week..." and figured they'd be getting back to her later on. Let's face it, if she was REALLY off the show, Katee wouldn't be under a gag order although there are indications we might not see her for a while. Then again, the boneheads may have her wake up on the resurrection ship... who knows? Let's hope they at least retain the "No Boxey" sensibility and forgo Dr. Zee as well... (children in space are always the result of second-string writers being whipped by clueless marketing execs long after the original writers have left, and usually appear soon after the series' obligatory "Western" or "Cultural Revolution" episode, in a pathetic attempt by second-string writers to "get in touch" with a younger audience, further alienating any connection with their real audience (with all due respect to Firefly, which was awesome as a western from day one)) -- Bif the Mildly Timid
Like I was saying...not dead yet....and they just had a credit for Katee at the end.--88wolfmaster 03:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok now that the season is over their are a couple things we need to discuss:
{{
cite web}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help)I know that there's a trend to try to reduce the number of fair use images in any given article, but this show is "Battlestar Galactica," so doesn't it make sense to show just one image of the battlestar, Galactica? Other things that are iconic to this and the previous series, any one or two of which might help to establish some visual context:
I don't think any of the characters are iconic enough on their own to be shown outside of the cast picture. This really is an ensemble show, after all. - Harmil 20:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
"He" is a term used too broadly, "she" has not been used.. "It" is neuter. As the doctor states "he" is used, but there's never been any evidence to suggest true sex of the Cylon's god. Matthew 18:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
So there have been a few edits and reverts around the text in the Cylon Monotheism section about which personal pronoun to use for the Cylon god. Some advocate the use of "He/She", some "He" and others "it". I have recollection of several references in the show talking about "he" and "him". I do not recall any references to "she". I would like to propose that we agree on something, rather than continually making changes.
Some quotes to support this:
So we have actual Cyclons and the main creative force behind the show using the term "he". Therefore, barring any evidence to the contrary I would suggest that we use the masculine pronoun when referring to the Cylon god (i.e,. use "he" and "him"), and not capitalize it. I welcome other opinions with quoted sources. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 18:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
At the bequest of Alucard, here. The Cylon god is clearly referred to as He (both verbally and in the captioning/subtitles on the DVD). It's fairly straightforward. Chiss Boy 21:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
When there were so many reverts going on, I thought it best to discuss rather than keep on reverting. I will change it as I proposed. Hopefully if anyone objects they will do so here. Thanks for your time. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 21:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
a) Not only Western monotheisms have those traits.
b) Can you list some of these "Western" monotheisms? Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all often considered to be MIDDLE EASTERN or SOUTHWESTERN ASIAN religions--they are definitely not Western in origin. Zorostrianism and Chinese monotheism also have many of those traits, and they even more definitely are not Western religions. Why do you insist on putting in Western when that is inaccurate?
Chiss Boy 19:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Who added the bit about the part about being fruitful? That wasn't Boomer, it was the blonde connected to Gaius (Gina?), and where does Athena come into this? Guessing that the Wikipedian who put that in was using the reference to the tomb of Athena and Boomer's statement that the tomb does exist even though the human polytheism is a bunch of bunk (so is the Cylon monotheism). Chiss Boy 10:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)