This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Battle of the Trench article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives:
1Auto-archiving period: 365 days
![]() |
![]() | Battle of the Trench has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | |||||||||
| ||||||||||
![]() | Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the " On this day..." column on March 31, 2014, and March 31, 2016. |
![]() | This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | Warning: active arbitration remedies The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:
Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. |
@ Kaalakaa::
You changed the result to Quraysh victory using Brockopp page 9 and Lapidus page 42.
These sources state:
Care to explain? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 18:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
For one, if we are to believe that the substance of the article is accurate (which I believe is also based on mythic-religious sources), the casualty figure is plainly and objectively widely inaccurate. If a pitched battle between armies, according to this article, that numbered collectively 10,500-13,500 soldiers, including sieges of multiple cities, and trench warfare for every citizen of Medina over 14, resulted in about 11 casualties, than everyone was playing with foam fingers. It just looks goofy for one of the foundational events of Islam to use such blatantly inaccurate statistics and I think insulting to Muslims and intelligent people. No insult to the writer of it, but I believe we should simply change the stat to "unknown," unless in the unlikely event a more exacting stat can be provided for casualty tolls.
I checked the source, the attacks include several Meccan "assaults by night" (Watt, 167) and several assaults by the river that culminated in the leaders breaking (168). I could list these in detail, but you get the idea. Kingfisher2014 ( talk) 19:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
The Infobox states that the battle was a stalemate and there are only two sources that hold this opinion. However other sources such as The History of al-Ṭabarī Vol. 8: The Victory of Islam: Muhammad at Medina AD 626-630/AH 5-8 Michael Fishbein State University of New York Press, 2015 seem to state that the battle was a victory for the Muslims Salman Cooper Mapping ( talk) 22:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
nothing 2001:8F8:1D03:55D3:7827:4E6B:3101:2100 ( talk) 11:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Ikrima ibn Abi Jahl was a leading commander along with Abd Al Al Wad according to his own page.
فضائل الصحابة (
talk) 12:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock.
R Prazeres (
talk)
18:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::I didn’t add anything onto the page Amr ibn Abd al-Wud, stop involving yourself in topics you have no knowledge of.
فضائل الصحابة (
talk) 09:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock.
R Prazeres (
talk)
18:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Battle of the Trench article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Archives:
1Auto-archiving period: 365 days
![]() |
![]() | Battle of the Trench has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | |||||||||
| ||||||||||
![]() | Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the " On this day..." column on March 31, 2014, and March 31, 2016. |
![]() | This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | Warning: active arbitration remedies The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:
Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. |
@ Kaalakaa::
You changed the result to Quraysh victory using Brockopp page 9 and Lapidus page 42.
These sources state:
Care to explain? -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 18:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
For one, if we are to believe that the substance of the article is accurate (which I believe is also based on mythic-religious sources), the casualty figure is plainly and objectively widely inaccurate. If a pitched battle between armies, according to this article, that numbered collectively 10,500-13,500 soldiers, including sieges of multiple cities, and trench warfare for every citizen of Medina over 14, resulted in about 11 casualties, than everyone was playing with foam fingers. It just looks goofy for one of the foundational events of Islam to use such blatantly inaccurate statistics and I think insulting to Muslims and intelligent people. No insult to the writer of it, but I believe we should simply change the stat to "unknown," unless in the unlikely event a more exacting stat can be provided for casualty tolls.
I checked the source, the attacks include several Meccan "assaults by night" (Watt, 167) and several assaults by the river that culminated in the leaders breaking (168). I could list these in detail, but you get the idea. Kingfisher2014 ( talk) 19:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
The Infobox states that the battle was a stalemate and there are only two sources that hold this opinion. However other sources such as The History of al-Ṭabarī Vol. 8: The Victory of Islam: Muhammad at Medina AD 626-630/AH 5-8 Michael Fishbein State University of New York Press, 2015 seem to state that the battle was a victory for the Muslims Salman Cooper Mapping ( talk) 22:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
nothing 2001:8F8:1D03:55D3:7827:4E6B:3101:2100 ( talk) 11:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Ikrima ibn Abi Jahl was a leading commander along with Abd Al Al Wad according to his own page.
فضائل الصحابة (
talk) 12:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock.
R Prazeres (
talk)
18:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::I didn’t add anything onto the page Amr ibn Abd al-Wud, stop involving yourself in topics you have no knowledge of.
فضائل الصحابة (
talk) 09:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock.
R Prazeres (
talk)
18:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)