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Unbelievable Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 ( talk) 15:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
First of all, this article has NO citations. I'm not sure why this is included in the list of battles. All that really took place there according to the account is killing an unfaithful Jew and a single soldier. (1 Macc. 3:16) No other deaths are reported in the account, so how does this qualify as a "battle", or a gorilla action, as some claim? The beginning of the Maccabean revolt, yes, battle, no. Likely it was less than a handful of soldiers, one got killed and the others never fought back because they were outnumbered. -- Corjay ( talk) 07:39, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move unopposed for over a week ( non-admin closure) — Andy W. ( talk) 23:45, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Battle of Wadi Haramia → Battle of Ma'aleh Levona – The primary and secondary sources within the article name the location of the battle as Ma'aleh Levona, whereas current title Wadi Haramia seems to be completely unfounded. GreyShark ( dibra) 12:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Greyshark09: - would you consider a move to "Battle with Apollonius"? Not a huge fan of the current title - even if it was hypothesized to happen near Ma'aleh Levona, that doesn't mean "Battle of Ma'aleh Levona" is the common name. The Jewish Press article, which I assume you were referring to in your earlier RM, just says "6. Ma’aleh Levonah – Site of the first major Maccabean battle and victory" - it doesn't call it the "Battle of Ma'aleh Levona", just hypothesizes the battle took place there. Bar-Kochva's book, which seems to be about the most in-depth exploration of three sentences in 1 Maccabees, just calls it the Battle with Apollonius. Any thoughts / objections on moving it? SnowFire ( talk) 17:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved to Battle of the Ascent of Lebonah. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 01:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Battle of Ma'aleh Levona → Battle with Apollonius – or to Battle of Lebonah Ascent (2nd choice) or back to Battle of Wadi Haramia (third choice), the article's location before the 2016 RM. The location of this battle is simply not known, nor are the titles with hypothesized locations "common names". What is known is that it was against Apollonius, which is how scholarly sources refer to the battle. Anything other than this anachronistic, non-common name - Ma'ale Levona is an Israeli settlement founded in 1983 which merely might be near the location of a battle 2,100 years earlier. See below for extended reasoning. SnowFire ( talk) 02:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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Unbelievable Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 ( talk) 15:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
First of all, this article has NO citations. I'm not sure why this is included in the list of battles. All that really took place there according to the account is killing an unfaithful Jew and a single soldier. (1 Macc. 3:16) No other deaths are reported in the account, so how does this qualify as a "battle", or a gorilla action, as some claim? The beginning of the Maccabean revolt, yes, battle, no. Likely it was less than a handful of soldiers, one got killed and the others never fought back because they were outnumbered. -- Corjay ( talk) 07:39, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move unopposed for over a week ( non-admin closure) — Andy W. ( talk) 23:45, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Battle of Wadi Haramia → Battle of Ma'aleh Levona – The primary and secondary sources within the article name the location of the battle as Ma'aleh Levona, whereas current title Wadi Haramia seems to be completely unfounded. GreyShark ( dibra) 12:32, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Greyshark09: - would you consider a move to "Battle with Apollonius"? Not a huge fan of the current title - even if it was hypothesized to happen near Ma'aleh Levona, that doesn't mean "Battle of Ma'aleh Levona" is the common name. The Jewish Press article, which I assume you were referring to in your earlier RM, just says "6. Ma’aleh Levonah – Site of the first major Maccabean battle and victory" - it doesn't call it the "Battle of Ma'aleh Levona", just hypothesizes the battle took place there. Bar-Kochva's book, which seems to be about the most in-depth exploration of three sentences in 1 Maccabees, just calls it the Battle with Apollonius. Any thoughts / objections on moving it? SnowFire ( talk) 17:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved to Battle of the Ascent of Lebonah. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 01:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Battle of Ma'aleh Levona → Battle with Apollonius – or to Battle of Lebonah Ascent (2nd choice) or back to Battle of Wadi Haramia (third choice), the article's location before the 2016 RM. The location of this battle is simply not known, nor are the titles with hypothesized locations "common names". What is known is that it was against Apollonius, which is how scholarly sources refer to the battle. Anything other than this anachronistic, non-common name - Ma'ale Levona is an Israeli settlement founded in 1983 which merely might be near the location of a battle 2,100 years earlier. See below for extended reasoning. SnowFire ( talk) 02:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)