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/info/en/?search=Vaksince_offensive and https://en.wikipedia.org/?curid=72183759, despite the different date, seem to be about hte same event Lauragioia66 ( talk) 10:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
In my opinion we should change the name to Battle of Vaksice, since Operation Vaksince only covers a small Part of the actual Battle and doesn't include everything that happened before 24 May 2001 and after 26 May 2001. Me and Drenicak32 already added Sources that the NLA was able to recapture the village on 6 June. Karadakli230 ( talk) 18:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
The Pages merged were on 3 May, The info we added proofs that the NLA regained territory shortly after 26 May and finally recaptured the village from the Macedonian Army on 6 June. The main fighting in Vaksince started on 3 May and ended on 6 June, so I see no reason in only letting a small Part of the Battle (the Macedonian Counter-Offensive from 24-26 May) exist as a Page, when we can put all the info into one Page. Karadakli230 ( talk) 17:29, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Fadil nimani was the commander of the NLA bridge that attacked vaksince in that battle he was killed by Macedonian soldiers the result was clearly a Macedonian victory Walter white502930291 ( talk) 11:25, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Based.shqiptar.frompirok. Hello. What you list as information in the infobox is already covered in the body of the article, including the recapture of the village. Per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, infoboxes shouldn't contain unnecessary information and should preferably contain less information where possible. Considering that the result of the battle is also clear, such a list is unnecessary. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 15:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
I think it is clear to see what this editor, who, by the way, has already been warned with a several-month ban due to his disruptive edits, is trying to do here. I will list some of the user's edits, and I request some admin to take care of this matter afterward.
Edit from 1 December 2023, 22:10:
The user removes "50 militants" and explains the edit with the following quote: "The source doesn't say that there were 50 militants it says that the government deployed 50 veachles."
Now lets see what the source is actually saying:
"Die Regierung erklärte, sie habe eine Gruppe von 50 Freischärlern „zerschlagen“, wobei es Tote und Verletzte gegeben habe." from this source ( https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/mazedonien-offensive-gegen-rebellen-verschaerft-krise-120333.html) "Based guyy" translates "Freischärler" with "vehicle". Let's see what "Freischärler" actually means, according to Duden, "Freischärler", means: "Member of a guerrilla group", and has the following synonyms: "Guerrilla", "partisan" and "resistance fighter". ( https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Freischaerler)
Edit from 5 December 2023, 17:41:
The editor changes "2 Mi-24 Attack helicopters" to "Unknown number of Attack helicopter". The user did not dare to replace the source with a more reliable one; instead, they let the other source remain in its place. The source that proves there were, in fact, two Mi-24 attack helicopters is as follows:
"At Vaksince, puffs of smoke from artillery shells rose from the town’s center and heavy machine-gun fire punctuated the boom of the cannons as troops prepared to move in. The village also was raked by rocket fire from two helicopter gunships." from this article ( https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-may-26-mn-2763-story.html)
Edit from 20 December 2023, 23:18:
The editor adds two non-existing pages, "Battle of Radnička Kolonija" and "Battle of Tabanovce (2001)" to the "See also" heading. These are fictional battles for which there is no actual proof that they ever occurred. In fact, the NLA was never in control of those villages, and there is no evidence that the NLA attempted to capture them.
Edit from 23 February 2024, 15:35:
The user removes the information about the two soldiers killed on the NLA side, along with the source, and changes it with a claim of 16 casualties without a valid source. The provided source, labeled "Дневник," does not lead to any information at all. Even if this user provided an actual source that led to some information, it would likely be from the opposing side of the NLA. Observing other sides of battles of the Yugoslav wars, information from the opposing side on the casualties of the other side is rarely used, due to propaganda and misinformation.
GermanManFromFrankfurt (
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22:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Vaksince_offensive and https://en.wikipedia.org/?curid=72183759, despite the different date, seem to be about hte same event Lauragioia66 ( talk) 10:12, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
In my opinion we should change the name to Battle of Vaksice, since Operation Vaksince only covers a small Part of the actual Battle and doesn't include everything that happened before 24 May 2001 and after 26 May 2001. Me and Drenicak32 already added Sources that the NLA was able to recapture the village on 6 June. Karadakli230 ( talk) 18:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
The Pages merged were on 3 May, The info we added proofs that the NLA regained territory shortly after 26 May and finally recaptured the village from the Macedonian Army on 6 June. The main fighting in Vaksince started on 3 May and ended on 6 June, so I see no reason in only letting a small Part of the Battle (the Macedonian Counter-Offensive from 24-26 May) exist as a Page, when we can put all the info into one Page. Karadakli230 ( talk) 17:29, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Fadil nimani was the commander of the NLA bridge that attacked vaksince in that battle he was killed by Macedonian soldiers the result was clearly a Macedonian victory Walter white502930291 ( talk) 11:25, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Based.shqiptar.frompirok. Hello. What you list as information in the infobox is already covered in the body of the article, including the recapture of the village. Per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, infoboxes shouldn't contain unnecessary information and should preferably contain less information where possible. Considering that the result of the battle is also clear, such a list is unnecessary. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 15:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
I think it is clear to see what this editor, who, by the way, has already been warned with a several-month ban due to his disruptive edits, is trying to do here. I will list some of the user's edits, and I request some admin to take care of this matter afterward.
Edit from 1 December 2023, 22:10:
The user removes "50 militants" and explains the edit with the following quote: "The source doesn't say that there were 50 militants it says that the government deployed 50 veachles."
Now lets see what the source is actually saying:
"Die Regierung erklärte, sie habe eine Gruppe von 50 Freischärlern „zerschlagen“, wobei es Tote und Verletzte gegeben habe." from this source ( https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/mazedonien-offensive-gegen-rebellen-verschaerft-krise-120333.html) "Based guyy" translates "Freischärler" with "vehicle". Let's see what "Freischärler" actually means, according to Duden, "Freischärler", means: "Member of a guerrilla group", and has the following synonyms: "Guerrilla", "partisan" and "resistance fighter". ( https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Freischaerler)
Edit from 5 December 2023, 17:41:
The editor changes "2 Mi-24 Attack helicopters" to "Unknown number of Attack helicopter". The user did not dare to replace the source with a more reliable one; instead, they let the other source remain in its place. The source that proves there were, in fact, two Mi-24 attack helicopters is as follows:
"At Vaksince, puffs of smoke from artillery shells rose from the town’s center and heavy machine-gun fire punctuated the boom of the cannons as troops prepared to move in. The village also was raked by rocket fire from two helicopter gunships." from this article ( https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-may-26-mn-2763-story.html)
Edit from 20 December 2023, 23:18:
The editor adds two non-existing pages, "Battle of Radnička Kolonija" and "Battle of Tabanovce (2001)" to the "See also" heading. These are fictional battles for which there is no actual proof that they ever occurred. In fact, the NLA was never in control of those villages, and there is no evidence that the NLA attempted to capture them.
Edit from 23 February 2024, 15:35:
The user removes the information about the two soldiers killed on the NLA side, along with the source, and changes it with a claim of 16 casualties without a valid source. The provided source, labeled "Дневник," does not lead to any information at all. Even if this user provided an actual source that led to some information, it would likely be from the opposing side of the NLA. Observing other sides of battles of the Yugoslav wars, information from the opposing side on the casualties of the other side is rarely used, due to propaganda and misinformation.
GermanManFromFrankfurt (
talk)
22:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)