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I have cleaned up a considerable mess of MOS:SANDWICH. Hog Farm might you have a look at this older FA in terms of WP:URFA/2020? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia - I have serious source-text integrity concerns based on this check of Langguth. We need to find someone who can access the other sources, particularly Owens, Funk, and Cave, because I have real concerns here. Hog Farm Bacon 06:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Back in 2012, I noted above that this article was dubiously footnoted using false citations to weak sources. Looks like you're repeating that process. My bad, I should have done something else back then to save you some time. This article should have never been promoted to Featured because the "research" behind the footnotes was only simulated, not genuine. Can we save future effort by just demoting it? I'm no longer familiar with the process. Best wishes. — Kevin Myers 16:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I think most of what you are looking for is in Funk. I do have access to Funk, I would encourage you get that book, as it will address most of your concerns. Good luck! As to the quality of Funk as a source, I cannot speak. At the time I wrote the article I thought it was a reliable source. I would support rewriting the article with a better source than Funk. There are not a tremendous amount of sources available on this battle in great detail though. Funk was the most detailed I have had access to. It has been so long since I worked on this article, I have to confess I am not fresh on the sources. I am confident though that you will find support the content of the article in the sources. I think perhaps the issue is that Funk may not be a quality source. If you can suggest a way, I could scan the pages from Funk and share them with you for your review. I don't have time to dedicate to that myself though. — Charles Edward ( Talk | Contribs) 17:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
This article states: "A number of counties in Indiana were named for American soldiers killed in the battle: Bartholomew, Daveiss, Spencer, Tipton and Warrick." Actually, a quick check finds that Daveiss, Owen, Spencer, Warrick, and White Counties are named for personnel killed during the battle. Bartholomew, Dubois, Harrison, and Tipton counties are named for individuals who were in the battle but not killed nor even necessarily wounded. Col. Bartholomew was indeed wounded during the battle, but survived and later fought in the War of 1812, reaching the rank of Major General before ultimately dying in 1840. However, there is no evidence that Harrison, Tipton, or Dubois were even wounded. Of course, Harrison was more than just the commander at this battle, being the first territorial governor, a general during the War of 1812, and ultimately elected President of the United States - so not sure Harrison County was named for him solely for his role in this engagement. The same is true for John Tipton who was also important for other roles in Indiana history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:4280:A710:0:0:0:B25 ( talk) 19:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
This article states: "he used the slogan 'Tippecanoe and Tyler Too' to remind people of his heroism during the battle." While possible, doubt that Harrison came up with or even personally used this slogan as this statement infers, suspect it would be more accurate to say the Whig party or Harrison supporters used it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:4280:A710:0:0:0:B25 ( talk) 20:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Would it be more correct to refer to “the Shawnee”, or even the equivalent in their language, rather than use a modern artificial name? Weren’t Americans the enemy? So would they have consider themselves to be native Americans? There don’t seem any Shawnee sources in the article to check. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 04:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
I have suggested deletion on the talk page of the article “order of battle for Tippecanoe”. There is a document on the Internet archive containing all the information for those that want it. So it just needs to be mentioned explicitly in the article Battle of Tippecanoe: https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA350167/page/n135/mode/1up I can start the ball rolling but can’t take it any further. Thank you, editors, for your understanding of the issues. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 00:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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I have cleaned up a considerable mess of MOS:SANDWICH. Hog Farm might you have a look at this older FA in terms of WP:URFA/2020? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia - I have serious source-text integrity concerns based on this check of Langguth. We need to find someone who can access the other sources, particularly Owens, Funk, and Cave, because I have real concerns here. Hog Farm Bacon 06:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Back in 2012, I noted above that this article was dubiously footnoted using false citations to weak sources. Looks like you're repeating that process. My bad, I should have done something else back then to save you some time. This article should have never been promoted to Featured because the "research" behind the footnotes was only simulated, not genuine. Can we save future effort by just demoting it? I'm no longer familiar with the process. Best wishes. — Kevin Myers 16:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I think most of what you are looking for is in Funk. I do have access to Funk, I would encourage you get that book, as it will address most of your concerns. Good luck! As to the quality of Funk as a source, I cannot speak. At the time I wrote the article I thought it was a reliable source. I would support rewriting the article with a better source than Funk. There are not a tremendous amount of sources available on this battle in great detail though. Funk was the most detailed I have had access to. It has been so long since I worked on this article, I have to confess I am not fresh on the sources. I am confident though that you will find support the content of the article in the sources. I think perhaps the issue is that Funk may not be a quality source. If you can suggest a way, I could scan the pages from Funk and share them with you for your review. I don't have time to dedicate to that myself though. — Charles Edward ( Talk | Contribs) 17:34, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
This article states: "A number of counties in Indiana were named for American soldiers killed in the battle: Bartholomew, Daveiss, Spencer, Tipton and Warrick." Actually, a quick check finds that Daveiss, Owen, Spencer, Warrick, and White Counties are named for personnel killed during the battle. Bartholomew, Dubois, Harrison, and Tipton counties are named for individuals who were in the battle but not killed nor even necessarily wounded. Col. Bartholomew was indeed wounded during the battle, but survived and later fought in the War of 1812, reaching the rank of Major General before ultimately dying in 1840. However, there is no evidence that Harrison, Tipton, or Dubois were even wounded. Of course, Harrison was more than just the commander at this battle, being the first territorial governor, a general during the War of 1812, and ultimately elected President of the United States - so not sure Harrison County was named for him solely for his role in this engagement. The same is true for John Tipton who was also important for other roles in Indiana history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:4280:A710:0:0:0:B25 ( talk) 19:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
This article states: "he used the slogan 'Tippecanoe and Tyler Too' to remind people of his heroism during the battle." While possible, doubt that Harrison came up with or even personally used this slogan as this statement infers, suspect it would be more accurate to say the Whig party or Harrison supporters used it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:4280:A710:0:0:0:B25 ( talk) 20:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Would it be more correct to refer to “the Shawnee”, or even the equivalent in their language, rather than use a modern artificial name? Weren’t Americans the enemy? So would they have consider themselves to be native Americans? There don’t seem any Shawnee sources in the article to check. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 04:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
I have suggested deletion on the talk page of the article “order of battle for Tippecanoe”. There is a document on the Internet archive containing all the information for those that want it. So it just needs to be mentioned explicitly in the article Battle of Tippecanoe: https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA350167/page/n135/mode/1up I can start the ball rolling but can’t take it any further. Thank you, editors, for your understanding of the issues. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 00:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)