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the article cites that temperatures dropped to -40 Celsius however, according to Wiki Weatger and other sources, the average nighttime winter temperatures are above -10 Celsius 2A00:23C4:3522:6B01:713:C0B9:3A0E:E284 ( talk) 23:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
The date as listed on here for the battle is 23 August 1942, however, the casualties for Soviet forces are calculated from 17 July 1942 to the end of the battle by Krivosheev, and 17 July is listed as the start of the battle by Russian historians. The Hebrew Wikipedia article explains that "It can be started on July 17, 1942, when the Sixth Army first encountered the forces of the Stalingrad front west of the bend of the Don River, on August 23, when the first force of the German army managed to reach the Volga north of Stalingrad, or on September 13, when the campaign inside the city of Stalingrad began".
Another issue is the scope of the battle, which while all include German, Italian, Romanian and Croatian losses, the inclusion of Hungarian losses is complicated, as the article from the Hebrew Wikipedia makes note that "The Second Hungarian Army also suffered heavy losses (about 200,000 casualties) during the Soviet attack in the Upper Don region, which followed the Battle of Stalingrad. However, there is no justification to include its losses within the Axis forces' losses in the campaign on Stalingrad, because the attack on the army had no direct connection to the Battle of Stalingrad, and it was conducted in the area of the city of Voronezh, hundreds of kilometers from the Stalingrad area".
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Over the last several months, the article has grown from 12,000 words (which was already too big) to over 17,000. This is going in the wrong direction. ( Hohum @) 22:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
This article is more like a book than an encyclopedia article. It needs some ruthless trimming, IMO. The current bytecount stands at 216,605. Can we at least get it under 200,000? Nosferattus ( talk) 17:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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65.255.131.188 ( talk) 16:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC) make more info like the general during this battle how long it was ya
The end of the second paragraph of this article says the temperature was "tens of degrees below sub-zero" when it should say "tens of degrees below zero". It also would be helpful to note the temperature scale of Celsius here.
In terms of temperature, sub-zero is any value below zero so you could say "temperatures are sub-zero" but the statement "temperatures are below sub-zero" means nothing. 207.153.41.71 ( talk) 16:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
the article cites Sokolov data about 2 million KIA and MIA casualties which seems absolutely unrealistic. Soviet forces in Battle of Stalingrad were ~1,1 million soldiers (every soldier died twice?) and Soviet army in total were ~5,5 million people
i suggest to remove this casualties data 95.220.21.185 ( talk) 16:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
The soviet forces 1,1 mils also are not for the city itself, it is for Southern Front. Total Soviet forces were 5,5 mils for all fronts. Loosing 2 mils KIA would mean 4-8 mils wounded resulting in destruction of the whole Soviet army which is absurd
At least read Sokolov page in Russian wiki with translator: he is a freak of Russian history science community, his "researches" are not based on any facts. It is ridiculous that they are used as a serious data here
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the article cites that temperatures dropped to -40 Celsius however, according to Wiki Weatger and other sources, the average nighttime winter temperatures are above -10 Celsius 2A00:23C4:3522:6B01:713:C0B9:3A0E:E284 ( talk) 23:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
The date as listed on here for the battle is 23 August 1942, however, the casualties for Soviet forces are calculated from 17 July 1942 to the end of the battle by Krivosheev, and 17 July is listed as the start of the battle by Russian historians. The Hebrew Wikipedia article explains that "It can be started on July 17, 1942, when the Sixth Army first encountered the forces of the Stalingrad front west of the bend of the Don River, on August 23, when the first force of the German army managed to reach the Volga north of Stalingrad, or on September 13, when the campaign inside the city of Stalingrad began".
Another issue is the scope of the battle, which while all include German, Italian, Romanian and Croatian losses, the inclusion of Hungarian losses is complicated, as the article from the Hebrew Wikipedia makes note that "The Second Hungarian Army also suffered heavy losses (about 200,000 casualties) during the Soviet attack in the Upper Don region, which followed the Battle of Stalingrad. However, there is no justification to include its losses within the Axis forces' losses in the campaign on Stalingrad, because the attack on the army had no direct connection to the Battle of Stalingrad, and it was conducted in the area of the city of Voronezh, hundreds of kilometers from the Stalingrad area".
Any input would be appreciated.
Reaper1945 (
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Over the last several months, the article has grown from 12,000 words (which was already too big) to over 17,000. This is going in the wrong direction. ( Hohum @) 22:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
This article is more like a book than an encyclopedia article. It needs some ruthless trimming, IMO. The current bytecount stands at 216,605. Can we at least get it under 200,000? Nosferattus ( talk) 17:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
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65.255.131.188 ( talk) 16:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC) make more info like the general during this battle how long it was ya
The end of the second paragraph of this article says the temperature was "tens of degrees below sub-zero" when it should say "tens of degrees below zero". It also would be helpful to note the temperature scale of Celsius here.
In terms of temperature, sub-zero is any value below zero so you could say "temperatures are sub-zero" but the statement "temperatures are below sub-zero" means nothing. 207.153.41.71 ( talk) 16:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
the article cites Sokolov data about 2 million KIA and MIA casualties which seems absolutely unrealistic. Soviet forces in Battle of Stalingrad were ~1,1 million soldiers (every soldier died twice?) and Soviet army in total were ~5,5 million people
i suggest to remove this casualties data 95.220.21.185 ( talk) 16:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
The soviet forces 1,1 mils also are not for the city itself, it is for Southern Front. Total Soviet forces were 5,5 mils for all fronts. Loosing 2 mils KIA would mean 4-8 mils wounded resulting in destruction of the whole Soviet army which is absurd
At least read Sokolov page in Russian wiki with translator: he is a freak of Russian history science community, his "researches" are not based on any facts. It is ridiculous that they are used as a serious data here