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A few queries...
At the start of the August 13 section we have "The first Soviet assault on Warsaw—and Radzymin in particular—came not from the east, as expected, but from the north-east. Warsaw was to be assaulted from the east by the 16th Red Army. At the same time the 14th Red Army (under Ieronim Uborevich) captured Wyszków and started a fast march westwards, towards Toruń. It was then to cross the lower Vistula and assault Warsaw from the north-west. However, its 21st Rifle Division remained on the south side of the Bug River and headed for Warsaw directly"
So, the 16th Army is to attack from the east (but never does?), but the 14th Army bypasses Warsaw to the north, and intends to then attack south-eastwards, thus attacking Warsaw from the north-west; but its 21st Rifle division moves further south (thus attacking Warsaw from the north-east?)... is this roughly what is happening? But if so, we can't really say that the first attack on Warsaw did not come from the east... because we've already said in the lead that Radzymin is to the east of Warsaw. What is really meant here?
Secondly, under Opposing Forces we mention the State Police manning the third line of defences; and then later we say under August 13 that the gendarmes fled. Are gendarmes and state police the same thing? (On a related note, I've boldly replaced "escadrilles" with "squadrons", where it refers to aircraft.) -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 00:13, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Two more...
Under August 16 we have "Ironically, on that day in Moscow", but the phrase comes shortly after sentences talking about dates in September. Is "that day" referring to August 16, or a different date?
Back to Opposing Forces again, it's mentioned that Polish units "were exhausted after surviving a 600 kilometres (370 mi) retreat from Belarus"... it's then mentioned that two Russian divisions had chased the Poles "for over 500 kilometres (310 mi) from Belarus". Should these figures be identical? -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 01:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Being prior to the formation of the Soviet Union, my preference is for "Bolshevik forces," also in keeping with contemporary accounts of the time. I noticed we have a mix of Soviet and Bolshevik. The latter characterization is consistent with other accounts of military conflicts describing hostilities between the Bolshevik forces and those of the Baltic, Polish, and German.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK
23:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Copy-editing yielded (have question regarding the part emphasized): "meanwhile, the only permanent defences in the area of Radzymin were the incomplete Fort Beniaminów and a line of World War I Russian and German trenches located west of Radzymin, neglected since their construction in 1915." Without checking the source, is this only with respect to Radzymin, or is the following wording also correct? "meanwhile, the only permanent defences were in the area of Radzymin: the incomplete Fort Beniaminów and a line of World War I Russian and German trenches located west of Radzymin, neglected since their construction in 1915." Thanks in advance.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK
03:29, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
A few queries...
At the start of the August 13 section we have "The first Soviet assault on Warsaw—and Radzymin in particular—came not from the east, as expected, but from the north-east. Warsaw was to be assaulted from the east by the 16th Red Army. At the same time the 14th Red Army (under Ieronim Uborevich) captured Wyszków and started a fast march westwards, towards Toruń. It was then to cross the lower Vistula and assault Warsaw from the north-west. However, its 21st Rifle Division remained on the south side of the Bug River and headed for Warsaw directly"
So, the 16th Army is to attack from the east (but never does?), but the 14th Army bypasses Warsaw to the north, and intends to then attack south-eastwards, thus attacking Warsaw from the north-west; but its 21st Rifle division moves further south (thus attacking Warsaw from the north-east?)... is this roughly what is happening? But if so, we can't really say that the first attack on Warsaw did not come from the east... because we've already said in the lead that Radzymin is to the east of Warsaw. What is really meant here?
Secondly, under Opposing Forces we mention the State Police manning the third line of defences; and then later we say under August 13 that the gendarmes fled. Are gendarmes and state police the same thing? (On a related note, I've boldly replaced "escadrilles" with "squadrons", where it refers to aircraft.) -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 00:13, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Two more...
Under August 16 we have "Ironically, on that day in Moscow", but the phrase comes shortly after sentences talking about dates in September. Is "that day" referring to August 16, or a different date?
Back to Opposing Forces again, it's mentioned that Polish units "were exhausted after surviving a 600 kilometres (370 mi) retreat from Belarus"... it's then mentioned that two Russian divisions had chased the Poles "for over 500 kilometres (310 mi) from Belarus". Should these figures be identical? -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 01:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Being prior to the formation of the Soviet Union, my preference is for "Bolshevik forces," also in keeping with contemporary accounts of the time. I noticed we have a mix of Soviet and Bolshevik. The latter characterization is consistent with other accounts of military conflicts describing hostilities between the Bolshevik forces and those of the Baltic, Polish, and German.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK
23:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Copy-editing yielded (have question regarding the part emphasized): "meanwhile, the only permanent defences in the area of Radzymin were the incomplete Fort Beniaminów and a line of World War I Russian and German trenches located west of Radzymin, neglected since their construction in 1915." Without checking the source, is this only with respect to Radzymin, or is the following wording also correct? "meanwhile, the only permanent defences were in the area of Radzymin: the incomplete Fort Beniaminów and a line of World War I Russian and German trenches located west of Radzymin, neglected since their construction in 1915." Thanks in advance.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK
03:29, 15 January 2012 (UTC)