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The date is repeated without any citation. uncited claim, both Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedia articles start on March 2 (and Ukrainian actually begins in 2014). 5.173.113.62 ( talk) 15:30, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, I performed a Google search for the exact strings "Battle of Popasna" and "Battle for Popasna" on 8 April 2024, and was slightly surprised how little I found in the way of RS. Below is most of it:
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Not sure if WP:COMMONNAME has any application here given such low numbers overall. I welcome discussion on this topic. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 07:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
If there is no common name, the name should be a descriptive geographic term such as "battle of X" or "siege of Y", where X and Y are the locations of the operations
... the name should be a descriptive geographic term such as "battle of X" ...[emphasis added]. It does not mandate only battle of X. To my mind, battle for X is also used to describe battles in sources and would fall within the guidance. I also consider that it is probably the better option for fighting that is for the capture of a particular place, where it has not been formally named such that it would consistently capitalise Battle of X. My view is that battle of X tends to connote a formal name even when battle is no capitalised but battle for X is seen as more descriptive and does not have the same connotation. These are my views, for what they are worth. Cinderella157 ( talk) 23:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
An armed conflict between Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups has been taking place chiefly in and around the Gaza Strip since 7 October 2023to this day, with "Israel–Hamas war" nowhere to be found in the lede. See relevant edit summaries: 1, 2, and 3.
use the first sentence of the article to provide relevant information that is not already given by the title of the articlewould also support removing the titles in order to avoid constructions like "the battle of Popasna was a battle in Popasna" or the less blatant, but in my view equally redundant "the battle of Popasna was a military engagement that took place in and around/for control over Popasna", which look a lot like the examples it advises against.
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The date is repeated without any citation. uncited claim, both Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedia articles start on March 2 (and Ukrainian actually begins in 2014). 5.173.113.62 ( talk) 15:30, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, I performed a Google search for the exact strings "Battle of Popasna" and "Battle for Popasna" on 8 April 2024, and was slightly surprised how little I found in the way of RS. Below is most of it:
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Kyiv Independent:
Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project:
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Not sure if WP:COMMONNAME has any application here given such low numbers overall. I welcome discussion on this topic. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 07:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
If there is no common name, the name should be a descriptive geographic term such as "battle of X" or "siege of Y", where X and Y are the locations of the operations
... the name should be a descriptive geographic term such as "battle of X" ...[emphasis added]. It does not mandate only battle of X. To my mind, battle for X is also used to describe battles in sources and would fall within the guidance. I also consider that it is probably the better option for fighting that is for the capture of a particular place, where it has not been formally named such that it would consistently capitalise Battle of X. My view is that battle of X tends to connote a formal name even when battle is no capitalised but battle for X is seen as more descriptive and does not have the same connotation. These are my views, for what they are worth. Cinderella157 ( talk) 23:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
An armed conflict between Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militant groups has been taking place chiefly in and around the Gaza Strip since 7 October 2023to this day, with "Israel–Hamas war" nowhere to be found in the lede. See relevant edit summaries: 1, 2, and 3.
use the first sentence of the article to provide relevant information that is not already given by the title of the articlewould also support removing the titles in order to avoid constructions like "the battle of Popasna was a battle in Popasna" or the less blatant, but in my view equally redundant "the battle of Popasna was a military engagement that took place in and around/for control over Popasna", which look a lot like the examples it advises against.