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Text seems to be from Jonhays's homepage at http://members.fortunecity.com/jonhays/pavia.htm, copyright is not clear. -- till we *) 01:29, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC)
Two of the links dont seem to work for this entry (Battle of Pavia).
Is there a source for the presence of any significant number of Scottish troops here? I know that the Duke of Albany was involved; but all I can find in Konstam's book, at least, suggests that he was commanding French and Swiss troops, not Scottish ones. Kirill Lokshin 02:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
He was as Spanish as German why not German-Spanish Monarch then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.36.68.97 ( talk • contribs)
(UTC).
The term spanish empire (imperium hispanorum) wasn't much in use during Karls life, because it somehow included the portuguese entity (which still was quite strong until Philipp II. inherited that very crown). Troops did not serve directly back then, but swore allegiance indirectly by contract to military entrepeneurs - which may explain some caused confusion when spanish sources show other dedications than french or italian ones. Germany was never part of any spanish empire - even when there was such a title as imperator hyspanorum in the 11th century. Just because we might be used to widespread misnomers and hindsighted history it should be clear, that the 16th century wasn't the actual period of nations like France, Spain, England or Germany. It was more the demise of the feudal system with entities like Navarra, the crown of Savoy, the duchies of Saxonia or the kingdom of Bohemia. -- 77.187.249.84 ( talk) 00:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Carlos Access the imperial throne thanks to the gold of the Spanish americas and the credits of his family in German banks (which were much less valuable than what Spain contributed since the conquest of Mexico)
The term SPAIN is not coined until the first Spanish republic. until then they were "Las Españas" (plural) And Carlos I, before being emperor, was King of Spain by maternal heritage (Juana la Loca daughter of the Catholic kings)
So it is more accurate to say that he was a Spanish-Flemish king than "Spanish-German".
Since it was his brother Fernando I who inherited the imperial throne at his death, and his son Felipe II who inherited the throne of Spain being the Germanic empire, Philip's vassal, because spain having the piece of eight that was the most important currency of the epoch. (You just have to read and find out about the murder of Juan de Escobedo and what happened there with Flandes and Maria Estuardo and the decisions from Juan de Austria, ilegitim son of Carlos I
I am sorry to say, that the Holy Empire, the Austrian kingdom and Spain were the SAME from the death of Maximilano until the war of Spanish succession.
The Same royal House.
http://dbe.rah.es/biografias/6836/juan-de-escobedo <--- Juan de Escobedo Biography of Real Academia de Historia of Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProphetArpista ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I added some information on the Black Band (landsknechts) to the article, as I recently added a wiki page for that regiment. Larry Dunn 02:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Turns out that Richard de la Pole was actually not the Duke of Suffolk -- Konstam is wrong on that. He was, it's true, the son of a Duke of Suffolk, but never was duke himself, so I removed the name Suffolk (after some tinkering). Larry Dunn 03:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
We need to figure out some way of keeping the Fernando d'Avalos and Alfonso d'Avalos straight in the narrative; I'm guessing that just using "d'Avalos" for both is going to be too confusing. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 19:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
There isn't any reliable source for the casualties. This even bitterer since the casualties of Habsburg are estimated 5,000 instead of 500 in the German Wikipedia. Of cousre, unsourced as well. Who can help? -- JakobvS ( talk) 18:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
That's easy to explain: try to find reliable sources for the casualties of the Gulf War and then think of the possibility to achieve such information through the densed vails of 500 years passed by... Sources would involve the actual numbers of combattants as a start, which is just as hard. Read a contemporary work of history written by the winning side and after that one from the losing perspective. I bet, you'll not only come by some predictable pattern of explanation but also by totally different numbers. Leopold Ranke would emphasize to get grips on venetian accounts on that very subject you're interested in - but to do this one might have to travel a bit. And one might have to cope with the italian language.-- 77.187.249.84 ( talk) 00:17, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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it would be useful to have (at least one) diagram showing initial positions of the troops and arrows showing their movements
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Text seems to be from Jonhays's homepage at http://members.fortunecity.com/jonhays/pavia.htm, copyright is not clear. -- till we *) 01:29, Aug 22, 2003 (UTC)
Two of the links dont seem to work for this entry (Battle of Pavia).
Is there a source for the presence of any significant number of Scottish troops here? I know that the Duke of Albany was involved; but all I can find in Konstam's book, at least, suggests that he was commanding French and Swiss troops, not Scottish ones. Kirill Lokshin 02:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
He was as Spanish as German why not German-Spanish Monarch then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.36.68.97 ( talk • contribs)
(UTC).
The term spanish empire (imperium hispanorum) wasn't much in use during Karls life, because it somehow included the portuguese entity (which still was quite strong until Philipp II. inherited that very crown). Troops did not serve directly back then, but swore allegiance indirectly by contract to military entrepeneurs - which may explain some caused confusion when spanish sources show other dedications than french or italian ones. Germany was never part of any spanish empire - even when there was such a title as imperator hyspanorum in the 11th century. Just because we might be used to widespread misnomers and hindsighted history it should be clear, that the 16th century wasn't the actual period of nations like France, Spain, England or Germany. It was more the demise of the feudal system with entities like Navarra, the crown of Savoy, the duchies of Saxonia or the kingdom of Bohemia. -- 77.187.249.84 ( talk) 00:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Carlos Access the imperial throne thanks to the gold of the Spanish americas and the credits of his family in German banks (which were much less valuable than what Spain contributed since the conquest of Mexico)
The term SPAIN is not coined until the first Spanish republic. until then they were "Las Españas" (plural) And Carlos I, before being emperor, was King of Spain by maternal heritage (Juana la Loca daughter of the Catholic kings)
So it is more accurate to say that he was a Spanish-Flemish king than "Spanish-German".
Since it was his brother Fernando I who inherited the imperial throne at his death, and his son Felipe II who inherited the throne of Spain being the Germanic empire, Philip's vassal, because spain having the piece of eight that was the most important currency of the epoch. (You just have to read and find out about the murder of Juan de Escobedo and what happened there with Flandes and Maria Estuardo and the decisions from Juan de Austria, ilegitim son of Carlos I
I am sorry to say, that the Holy Empire, the Austrian kingdom and Spain were the SAME from the death of Maximilano until the war of Spanish succession.
The Same royal House.
http://dbe.rah.es/biografias/6836/juan-de-escobedo <--- Juan de Escobedo Biography of Real Academia de Historia of Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProphetArpista ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I added some information on the Black Band (landsknechts) to the article, as I recently added a wiki page for that regiment. Larry Dunn 02:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Turns out that Richard de la Pole was actually not the Duke of Suffolk -- Konstam is wrong on that. He was, it's true, the son of a Duke of Suffolk, but never was duke himself, so I removed the name Suffolk (after some tinkering). Larry Dunn 03:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
We need to figure out some way of keeping the Fernando d'Avalos and Alfonso d'Avalos straight in the narrative; I'm guessing that just using "d'Avalos" for both is going to be too confusing. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 19:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
There isn't any reliable source for the casualties. This even bitterer since the casualties of Habsburg are estimated 5,000 instead of 500 in the German Wikipedia. Of cousre, unsourced as well. Who can help? -- JakobvS ( talk) 18:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
That's easy to explain: try to find reliable sources for the casualties of the Gulf War and then think of the possibility to achieve such information through the densed vails of 500 years passed by... Sources would involve the actual numbers of combattants as a start, which is just as hard. Read a contemporary work of history written by the winning side and after that one from the losing perspective. I bet, you'll not only come by some predictable pattern of explanation but also by totally different numbers. Leopold Ranke would emphasize to get grips on venetian accounts on that very subject you're interested in - but to do this one might have to travel a bit. And one might have to cope with the italian language.-- 77.187.249.84 ( talk) 00:17, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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here is another drawing of the battle of Pavia 1525:
it would be useful to have (at least one) diagram showing initial positions of the troops and arrows showing their movements
80.17.36.33 ( talk) 13:02, 28 May 2017 (UTC)