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The link of "North Point" linked to the North Point of Hongkong, not the North Point of Baltimore.
Errrh..sorry to spoilt it for those that would like to re-write history, but the British won the Battle of North Point. They took the field, and the Americans withdrew. Deathlibrarian 09:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
How on Earth was this battle an American victory, and a strategic one at that? The British effectively won this battle, the British took the field and the American forces withdrew to Baltimore. How does that classify as an American victory? It is like trying to say the Battle of Britain was a Strategic German victory as the British forces did not gain any territory on the continent, its just pathetic and stupid to be honest. This article should have Indecisive at best. ( Trip Johnson ( talk) 11:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC))
It saved Baltimore from being Burned down like Washington was. ( Red4tribe ( talk) 16:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC))
The current version of the article relies heavily on one page of one source – so much so that it may have been transcribed directly from that source, potentially constituting a copyright violation. The source citation only provides an author and page number. Would anyone have access to the original source so these concerns can be verified or eliminated? — Adavidb 20:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
The section "Main Battle" looks a bit strange due to the appearence of "rocket launchers": Brooke reorganized the British troops and prepared to assault the American positions at 3:00 pm.[8] He decided to use his three cannon and his rocket launchers to cover an attempt by the 4th Regiment to get around the American flank, while two more regiments and the naval brigade would assault the American center.[8] Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I know rocket launchers are from a distinct other era. Can this be confirmed or corrected? The Banner talk 01:05, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Article erroneously states "The sniper who shot him was spotted and killed moments after." No one knows for certain who shot Robert Ross. Credit has been historically given to Daniel Wells and Henry G. McComas, both of whom were later found dead near Long Log Lane where Ross was killed. This line should be removed, unless further references can be made. BBODO ( talk) 00:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
The GPS coordinates 39° 11′ 53.54″ N, 76° 26′ 29.39″ W (39.198206, -76.441497) given for this page are incorrect. It locates Ft. Howard (built 1986) at the very tip of North Point. This is where the British landed. The actual battle, however, took place about five miles north of these coordinates. The actual battle took place in an area centered approximately 39.279573,-76.479914 . Can anyone help with correcting this, as it is linked to GeoHack? BBODO ( talk) 00:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
As it currently stands, the article does make mention of the contradictory information in the casualty returns.
The Royal Marines can be categorised thus:
The Army return (page 2075 of the London Gazette)refers to:
6 killed and 20 wounded belonged to the 2nd and 3rd Battalions of the Royal Marines
ship Marines attached to the 2nd Battalion - 2 killed and 1 wounded
ship Marines commanded by Captain Robyns - 2 killed, 1 officer and 9 other ranks wounded
The Navy return (page 2078 of the London Gazette)refers to:
ship Marines attached to the 2nd Battalion -
HMS Madagascar - 1 Marine killed and 1 Marine wounded
ship Marines commanded by Captain Robyns - 2 killed, 1 officer and 9 other ranks wounded
HMS Tonnant - 1 officer and 2 other ranks wounded
HMS Albion - 6 Marines wounded
HMS Ramillies - 2 Marines killed, 5 Marines wounded
HMS Royal Oak - 1 Marine wounded
This does not reconcile with the Army's total of 4 killed and 11 wounded, but seems more plausible, given that the Navy return does mention specific names.
I have cross-checked the musters from the 15 ships, as a source verification exercise, and no further casualties came to light.
A further source of information is the transcript of the medical journal for HMS Diomede, which is online. This document refers to 11 seriously wounded Marine casualties, of whom 4 are from Captain Robyns' command (Cooper from Tonnant, Dunn and Parsons from Albion, Thomas from Royal Oak). Perhaps this is where the confusion arose, and where the British Army's casualty figures for the Royal Marines are derived from. Keith H99 ( talk) 09:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
== Main Battle == -- Americans loaded their cannon with iron scraps including "horseshoes". In earlier paragraph the American cannon are "four pounders". The bore of a four-pounder cannon is not wide enough to admit an iron horseshoe.
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05:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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I must concur with some of the previous editors -- the reasoning shown here for some of the conclusions made about the outcome at North Point is very shaky at best. Where are the citations for the long lede? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.205.196 ( talk) 18:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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The link of "North Point" linked to the North Point of Hongkong, not the North Point of Baltimore.
Errrh..sorry to spoilt it for those that would like to re-write history, but the British won the Battle of North Point. They took the field, and the Americans withdrew. Deathlibrarian 09:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
How on Earth was this battle an American victory, and a strategic one at that? The British effectively won this battle, the British took the field and the American forces withdrew to Baltimore. How does that classify as an American victory? It is like trying to say the Battle of Britain was a Strategic German victory as the British forces did not gain any territory on the continent, its just pathetic and stupid to be honest. This article should have Indecisive at best. ( Trip Johnson ( talk) 11:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC))
It saved Baltimore from being Burned down like Washington was. ( Red4tribe ( talk) 16:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC))
The current version of the article relies heavily on one page of one source – so much so that it may have been transcribed directly from that source, potentially constituting a copyright violation. The source citation only provides an author and page number. Would anyone have access to the original source so these concerns can be verified or eliminated? — Adavidb 20:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
The section "Main Battle" looks a bit strange due to the appearence of "rocket launchers": Brooke reorganized the British troops and prepared to assault the American positions at 3:00 pm.[8] He decided to use his three cannon and his rocket launchers to cover an attempt by the 4th Regiment to get around the American flank, while two more regiments and the naval brigade would assault the American center.[8] Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I know rocket launchers are from a distinct other era. Can this be confirmed or corrected? The Banner talk 01:05, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Article erroneously states "The sniper who shot him was spotted and killed moments after." No one knows for certain who shot Robert Ross. Credit has been historically given to Daniel Wells and Henry G. McComas, both of whom were later found dead near Long Log Lane where Ross was killed. This line should be removed, unless further references can be made. BBODO ( talk) 00:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
The GPS coordinates 39° 11′ 53.54″ N, 76° 26′ 29.39″ W (39.198206, -76.441497) given for this page are incorrect. It locates Ft. Howard (built 1986) at the very tip of North Point. This is where the British landed. The actual battle, however, took place about five miles north of these coordinates. The actual battle took place in an area centered approximately 39.279573,-76.479914 . Can anyone help with correcting this, as it is linked to GeoHack? BBODO ( talk) 00:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
As it currently stands, the article does make mention of the contradictory information in the casualty returns.
The Royal Marines can be categorised thus:
The Army return (page 2075 of the London Gazette)refers to:
6 killed and 20 wounded belonged to the 2nd and 3rd Battalions of the Royal Marines
ship Marines attached to the 2nd Battalion - 2 killed and 1 wounded
ship Marines commanded by Captain Robyns - 2 killed, 1 officer and 9 other ranks wounded
The Navy return (page 2078 of the London Gazette)refers to:
ship Marines attached to the 2nd Battalion -
HMS Madagascar - 1 Marine killed and 1 Marine wounded
ship Marines commanded by Captain Robyns - 2 killed, 1 officer and 9 other ranks wounded
HMS Tonnant - 1 officer and 2 other ranks wounded
HMS Albion - 6 Marines wounded
HMS Ramillies - 2 Marines killed, 5 Marines wounded
HMS Royal Oak - 1 Marine wounded
This does not reconcile with the Army's total of 4 killed and 11 wounded, but seems more plausible, given that the Navy return does mention specific names.
I have cross-checked the musters from the 15 ships, as a source verification exercise, and no further casualties came to light.
A further source of information is the transcript of the medical journal for HMS Diomede, which is online. This document refers to 11 seriously wounded Marine casualties, of whom 4 are from Captain Robyns' command (Cooper from Tonnant, Dunn and Parsons from Albion, Thomas from Royal Oak). Perhaps this is where the confusion arose, and where the British Army's casualty figures for the Royal Marines are derived from. Keith H99 ( talk) 09:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
== Main Battle == -- Americans loaded their cannon with iron scraps including "horseshoes". In earlier paragraph the American cannon are "four pounders". The bore of a four-pounder cannon is not wide enough to admit an iron horseshoe.
Wayne Roberson, Austin, Texas (
talk)
05:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:38, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I must concur with some of the previous editors -- the reasoning shown here for some of the conclusions made about the outcome at North Point is very shaky at best. Where are the citations for the long lede? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.14.205.196 ( talk) 18:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)