the rebel group called Kharijites Were they really a "rebel group"? The article says it's a sect.
At the time of this battle, they were just a rebel group, but they evolved into a sect in later decades. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 14:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
labelled by the group as against Qur'an I believe an article between "against" and "Quran" is needed.
Of the 4000 rebels, some 1200 were won over with promise of amnesty while majority of the remaining 2800 --> "Of the 4,000 rebels, some 1,200 were won over with promise of amnesty while majority of the remaining 2,800"
The rest will come soon. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 08:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I am looking forward to it. Thank you. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 14:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Background
the third caliph Uthman resulted in a rebellion and he was assassinated in 656 --> "the third caliph Uthman resulted in a rebellion and was assassinated in 656"?
Rest will follow soon. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 09:04, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Preludereply
Kharijites denounced Ali as caliph, declared him, his followers, and Syrians --> "The Kharijites denounced Ali as caliph, declared him, his followers, and the Syrians"
If anybody did not share their view If I read this sentence it gives me a non-encyclopaedic toon. Maybe replace "anybody" with "someone" or "somebody"?
@
CPA-5: Could you please go through the entire article and post your suggestions on whole of it, so that I can then implement them all in one go? I think it will be easier for both of us. Thank you ;) --AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 14:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Here's the full review. Cheers.
Battle
He asked Kharjites to surrender the murderers and accept peace In Nahrawan?
Yes. The preceding paragraphs already mentiones that he mvoed to Nahrawan with his army. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Ali sent his cavalry in front of his infantry --> "He then sent his cavalry in front of his infantry"
Mu'awiya, who became caliph a few months after the assassination of Ali, who became known as Mu'awiya I? The readers don't know he was known as Mu'awiya I.
He became known as "Mu'awiya I" when his grandson, his namesake, became caliph. I think going into that isn't necessary. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Second review
I think both the Battle and the Aftermath sections' paragraphs should be splited.
Done for battle; aftermath is already two paras. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
through negotiations, a move labelled by the group British labelled.
Ali himself was assassinated by one of the Kharijites in January 661. --> "Ali himself was later assassinated by one of the Kharijites in January 661."
Could you add an image or so maybe an image of the battle and maybe add the location on the map in the infobox. I think this could help people see where it was located on the map of Iraq.
Actually I don't know its coordinates. The battle field was somewhere near the mdoern-day Baghdad. I can add Iraq map with marker on Baghdad:/ What do you think about it? AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Infobox
"17 July 658 CE (9 Safar 38 AH)" Why are there here Arabic or Persian (don't know which one) dates while the body doesn't use this date?
The leader of the Kharijites is not included in the body nor lead?
He is mentioned in the body. I didn't mention him in the lead bacuase to Kharijites their leaders were not as important as their dogma.AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Per
MOS:INFOBOX both the 14,000 and the 2,400 are not included in the body and it should because it summarise the body (infobox is the same as a lead).
No, the name should be referenced as given in the works in question. Our article may have the middle name initial, but he is universally known and referenced without it in scholarship.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Could you standardise the 10/13-digit ISBNs?
As far as the templates are concerned, the ISBNs are as given in the works in question.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Some ISBNs use at least one hyphen and others don't maybe standardise them?
As in the above point, they have been reproduced here as in the original publications. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
"Kennedy (2004)" should have an original date in it.
For new editions of works, this is not necessary, only for reprints. Kennedy's work for example is a completely revised edition in both its 2nd and 3rd editions, so the original date really does not apply.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The links were not provided, so the template generated a search automatically. Now there is a url to the exact online version of the article.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Does Levi Della Vida, G.'s link go to the same volume of the series? Also where are the page numbers 1,076 and 1,077 in the citations?
I don't know why they don't provide page numbers or volume numbers on the Brill website. But rest assured, the bibliographic data in the article is accurate.AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The links were not provided, so the template generated a search automatically. Now there is a url to the exact online version of the article.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Page 913 of Morony isn't included in the citations?
This is becuase in Sources we give the range of the entire article, but only specific page numbers of the cited information in the body.AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Isn't Wellhausen copyright-free because he died over 100 years ago so shouldn't it have a copyright-free logo?
Could be done, but I don't how to do it :D Would you mind doing that? Thanks. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
That's it from me. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 19:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Hi
CPA-5, as some of your remarks above concern book templates that I created, I answered your queries instead of the nominator. I also took the liberty to do some of the requested work on the citations. Cheers,
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you
Cplakidas for the fixes and help. And thank you
CPA-5 for the detailed review. My apologies for this long delay in addressing the issues; was occupied with exams. I think I've now addressed all the points. Thank you. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Status query
CPA-5, where does this review stand? It appears to be over two months since you've posted to it, and nominator
AhmadLX believes they have addressed all the issues. If you aren't able to continue the review, please let us know and I'll see if I can find someone to take over. Many thanks.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 02:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)reply
CPA-5 has asked me to finish the review for him.--
Sturmvogel 66 (
talk) 12:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Please add a map.
Kharijites were a group of pious allies of Ali during the First Muslim Civil War. Awkward, twice using Kharijites within a few words of each other.
in permanent break between the group and the rest of Muslims, awkward
Link Caliph, Medinese
Capitalize Caliph
and settled at a place called Harura. They became known as the Harurites. Merge the last sentence into the prior sentence.
The arbitration proceedings continued however and after about a year (March 658),[5] when Ali refused to denounce the arbitration and sent his arbitration delegation headed by Abu Musa Ash'ari to carry out the talks, Kharijites decided to leave. Awkward
They declared war against such infidels licit and started practice of interrogating people about their opinion on Uthman and Ali. People not sharing their view were executed. Awkward, both sentences should probably be combined
He invited Kharijites to join him in war against Mu'awiya as before. Awkward
Ali nevertheless persuaded them that war against Mu'awiya and Syrians was more important and started march to Syria Awkward
On the way he received news of the Kharijites' murdering various people because of their beliefs. Ali sent one of his men for inquiry but he too was killed by the Kharijites. Combine these and rephrase. Perhaps something along the lines of "En route, he received word of the Kharijites murdering people for their beliefs and sent sent one of his men to investigate, but he too was killed by the Kharijites."
considered blood of his companions and followers licit clarify and rephrase
Most of the Kharijites were on foot, while Ali's army consisted of archers, cavalry as well as foot-soldiers. He then sent his cavalry in front of his infantry. Infantry was divided in two rows and archers were placed in between the first row and cavalry. Rewrite
He ordered his army to let the Kharijites start the battle. Kharijites then attacked Ali's forces with vigor and broke through his cavalry. Again using "Kharijites" in close proximity. Perhaps "He ordered his army remain on the defensive. When the Kharijites attacked they broke through his cavalry" or somesuch.
Kharijites although decimated rose up again. The battle of Nahrawan cemented their break from the community[13] and majority of them abandoned city life and resorted to brigandage, robbery, raiding and pillaging settled areas and other anti-state activities Awkward--
Sturmvogel 66 (
talk) 13:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Sturmvogel 66 for taking up the review. I have addressed all of the above points. Thanks. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 19:09, 4 October 2020 (UTC)reply
the rebel group called Kharijites Were they really a "rebel group"? The article says it's a sect.
At the time of this battle, they were just a rebel group, but they evolved into a sect in later decades. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 14:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
labelled by the group as against Qur'an I believe an article between "against" and "Quran" is needed.
Of the 4000 rebels, some 1200 were won over with promise of amnesty while majority of the remaining 2800 --> "Of the 4,000 rebels, some 1,200 were won over with promise of amnesty while majority of the remaining 2,800"
The rest will come soon. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 08:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I am looking forward to it. Thank you. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 14:38, 4 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Background
the third caliph Uthman resulted in a rebellion and he was assassinated in 656 --> "the third caliph Uthman resulted in a rebellion and was assassinated in 656"?
Rest will follow soon. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 09:04, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Preludereply
Kharijites denounced Ali as caliph, declared him, his followers, and Syrians --> "The Kharijites denounced Ali as caliph, declared him, his followers, and the Syrians"
If anybody did not share their view If I read this sentence it gives me a non-encyclopaedic toon. Maybe replace "anybody" with "someone" or "somebody"?
@
CPA-5: Could you please go through the entire article and post your suggestions on whole of it, so that I can then implement them all in one go? I think it will be easier for both of us. Thank you ;) --AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 14:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Here's the full review. Cheers.
Battle
He asked Kharjites to surrender the murderers and accept peace In Nahrawan?
Yes. The preceding paragraphs already mentiones that he mvoed to Nahrawan with his army. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Ali sent his cavalry in front of his infantry --> "He then sent his cavalry in front of his infantry"
Mu'awiya, who became caliph a few months after the assassination of Ali, who became known as Mu'awiya I? The readers don't know he was known as Mu'awiya I.
He became known as "Mu'awiya I" when his grandson, his namesake, became caliph. I think going into that isn't necessary. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Second review
I think both the Battle and the Aftermath sections' paragraphs should be splited.
Done for battle; aftermath is already two paras. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
through negotiations, a move labelled by the group British labelled.
Ali himself was assassinated by one of the Kharijites in January 661. --> "Ali himself was later assassinated by one of the Kharijites in January 661."
Could you add an image or so maybe an image of the battle and maybe add the location on the map in the infobox. I think this could help people see where it was located on the map of Iraq.
Actually I don't know its coordinates. The battle field was somewhere near the mdoern-day Baghdad. I can add Iraq map with marker on Baghdad:/ What do you think about it? AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Infobox
"17 July 658 CE (9 Safar 38 AH)" Why are there here Arabic or Persian (don't know which one) dates while the body doesn't use this date?
The leader of the Kharijites is not included in the body nor lead?
He is mentioned in the body. I didn't mention him in the lead bacuase to Kharijites their leaders were not as important as their dogma.AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Per
MOS:INFOBOX both the 14,000 and the 2,400 are not included in the body and it should because it summarise the body (infobox is the same as a lead).
No, the name should be referenced as given in the works in question. Our article may have the middle name initial, but he is universally known and referenced without it in scholarship.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Could you standardise the 10/13-digit ISBNs?
As far as the templates are concerned, the ISBNs are as given in the works in question.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Some ISBNs use at least one hyphen and others don't maybe standardise them?
As in the above point, they have been reproduced here as in the original publications. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
"Kennedy (2004)" should have an original date in it.
For new editions of works, this is not necessary, only for reprints. Kennedy's work for example is a completely revised edition in both its 2nd and 3rd editions, so the original date really does not apply.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The links were not provided, so the template generated a search automatically. Now there is a url to the exact online version of the article.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Does Levi Della Vida, G.'s link go to the same volume of the series? Also where are the page numbers 1,076 and 1,077 in the citations?
I don't know why they don't provide page numbers or volume numbers on the Brill website. But rest assured, the bibliographic data in the article is accurate.AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The links were not provided, so the template generated a search automatically. Now there is a url to the exact online version of the article.
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Page 913 of Morony isn't included in the citations?
This is becuase in Sources we give the range of the entire article, but only specific page numbers of the cited information in the body.AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Isn't Wellhausen copyright-free because he died over 100 years ago so shouldn't it have a copyright-free logo?
Could be done, but I don't how to do it :D Would you mind doing that? Thanks. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
That's it from me. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 19:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Hi
CPA-5, as some of your remarks above concern book templates that I created, I answered your queries instead of the nominator. I also took the liberty to do some of the requested work on the citations. Cheers,
Constantine ✍ 07:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you
Cplakidas for the fixes and help. And thank you
CPA-5 for the detailed review. My apologies for this long delay in addressing the issues; was occupied with exams. I think I've now addressed all the points. Thank you. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 16:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Status query
CPA-5, where does this review stand? It appears to be over two months since you've posted to it, and nominator
AhmadLX believes they have addressed all the issues. If you aren't able to continue the review, please let us know and I'll see if I can find someone to take over. Many thanks.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 02:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)reply
CPA-5 has asked me to finish the review for him.--
Sturmvogel 66 (
talk) 12:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Please add a map.
Kharijites were a group of pious allies of Ali during the First Muslim Civil War. Awkward, twice using Kharijites within a few words of each other.
in permanent break between the group and the rest of Muslims, awkward
Link Caliph, Medinese
Capitalize Caliph
and settled at a place called Harura. They became known as the Harurites. Merge the last sentence into the prior sentence.
The arbitration proceedings continued however and after about a year (March 658),[5] when Ali refused to denounce the arbitration and sent his arbitration delegation headed by Abu Musa Ash'ari to carry out the talks, Kharijites decided to leave. Awkward
They declared war against such infidels licit and started practice of interrogating people about their opinion on Uthman and Ali. People not sharing their view were executed. Awkward, both sentences should probably be combined
He invited Kharijites to join him in war against Mu'awiya as before. Awkward
Ali nevertheless persuaded them that war against Mu'awiya and Syrians was more important and started march to Syria Awkward
On the way he received news of the Kharijites' murdering various people because of their beliefs. Ali sent one of his men for inquiry but he too was killed by the Kharijites. Combine these and rephrase. Perhaps something along the lines of "En route, he received word of the Kharijites murdering people for their beliefs and sent sent one of his men to investigate, but he too was killed by the Kharijites."
considered blood of his companions and followers licit clarify and rephrase
Most of the Kharijites were on foot, while Ali's army consisted of archers, cavalry as well as foot-soldiers. He then sent his cavalry in front of his infantry. Infantry was divided in two rows and archers were placed in between the first row and cavalry. Rewrite
He ordered his army to let the Kharijites start the battle. Kharijites then attacked Ali's forces with vigor and broke through his cavalry. Again using "Kharijites" in close proximity. Perhaps "He ordered his army remain on the defensive. When the Kharijites attacked they broke through his cavalry" or somesuch.
Kharijites although decimated rose up again. The battle of Nahrawan cemented their break from the community[13] and majority of them abandoned city life and resorted to brigandage, robbery, raiding and pillaging settled areas and other anti-state activities Awkward--
Sturmvogel 66 (
talk) 13:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Sturmvogel 66 for taking up the review. I have addressed all of the above points. Thanks. AhmadLX-
(Wikiposta) 19:09, 4 October 2020 (UTC)reply