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I don't see how Meligalas can be considered to be in southeastern Greece when it's in the southwest of the Peloponnese, which isn't to the east of the rest of Greece, even if one excludes all the islands. -- 184.248.4.100 ( talk) 00:17, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
The article says that in addition to military leaders being executed, others were too, for personal reasons. Can we provide a source for the 'personal reasons' part? Thirdstream ( talk) 06:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
The event is often called "massacre of Meligalas" in english and other european languages, and in greek (Σφαγή του Μελιγαλά), and by Greeks writing in english. These terms do not contradict each other, as both happened. However, it was not only a battle because many victims were civilians, and even children.
User:Ιπποκράτης2020 repeatedly deletes sources mentioning "massacre", either with no explanation or with the false excuse that the source "are not reliable". The deleted sources are the following (I omit the talk of Mr. Hogg at the UK Parliament in 1944).
1,800 people were massacred by ELAS at Meligala".
May I remind that the title of an event is not necessarily the result of historical investigation, and any discussion of its accuracy is off topic. What it matters in WP articles is that the title is used, even by a minority of authors.-- Skylax30 ( talk) 14:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
# Source n.3. states that people were MASSACRED at meligalas. # Source n.4 is a dialogue in the british parliament and it is completely irrelevant, much less a reliable source # Source n.5 States that "his family was massacred by the NAZIS" and the word "Meligalas" is nowhere to be found # Source n.6 is A greek author with 0 expertise on the subject
On top of that, the same user claims that the Greek wikipedia suffers from "Made in Greece Stalinist agiography" (Greek: Made in Greece σταλινική αγιογραφία,final sentence of the 2nd paragraph), claims that a communist conspiracy controls the Greek Wiki, hence his contributions are not allowed. It is the most clear and pure form of vandalism combined with POV , and it should be regarded as such . Ιπποκράτης2020 ( talk) 14:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
And for Ιπποκράτης2020: Yes, I have seen this page. Yes, I have seen your POV-pushing. And yes, I have already requested a page protection to stop this edit war. The Banner talk 17:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
May I remind everybody that the deleted phrase in LEAD says (it can be stated more explicitly) that the Battle of Maligalas is also called massacre of Meligalas. It doesn't say whether this title is justified or not. Therefore, the arguments about the "expertise" of the authors who use it are irrelevant. Does anybody here claim that the therm "massacre of Meligalas" is not used by some authors in various languages? Personally, I claim that I can read the term clearly in many publications of various disciplines.-- Skylax30 ( talk) 11:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
I am sure that you don't care discussing, Ippokrates. Just state here if you can see or not the term "massacre of Meligalas" as alternative for the "Battle". Here are some more sources. This French source actually links the "massacre of Meligalas" to the present article, therefore some are aware for the equivalency of the terms and use both because they like so. This is the kind of "reliability" you are asking for. And since the rest of the article does verify this title, you have one reason less to argue against it.
Comment: We need to have multiple RS (Sources linking to WP do not qualify) that are referring to the event as "the massacre of Meligalas". I see none of them. The link from Slate links to WP. The Portuguese book is published by
Clube de Autores which is "a major self-publishing platform in Latin America" according to WP article.
Cinadon
36 12:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
The question is if the term "massacre of Meligalas" or "Meligalas massacre" is used or not in texts that can be encountered by a reader. "Expertise" is irrelevant, especially when nobody disputes that a massacre did happen. Repetition of arguments about "reliable" sources shows either bad faith or ignorance of rules.-- Skylax30 ( talk) 16:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
![]() | Battle of Meligalas is currently a World history good article nominee. Nominated by Ashmedai 119 ( talk) at 19:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC) Anyone who has not contributed significantly to (or nominated) this article may review it according to the good article criteria to decide whether or not to list it as a good article. To start the review process, click start review and save the page. (See here for the good article instructions.) Short description: 1944 battle between the Greek Resistance and Axis collaborators in WWII |
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I don't see how Meligalas can be considered to be in southeastern Greece when it's in the southwest of the Peloponnese, which isn't to the east of the rest of Greece, even if one excludes all the islands. -- 184.248.4.100 ( talk) 00:17, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
The article says that in addition to military leaders being executed, others were too, for personal reasons. Can we provide a source for the 'personal reasons' part? Thirdstream ( talk) 06:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
The event is often called "massacre of Meligalas" in english and other european languages, and in greek (Σφαγή του Μελιγαλά), and by Greeks writing in english. These terms do not contradict each other, as both happened. However, it was not only a battle because many victims were civilians, and even children.
User:Ιπποκράτης2020 repeatedly deletes sources mentioning "massacre", either with no explanation or with the false excuse that the source "are not reliable". The deleted sources are the following (I omit the talk of Mr. Hogg at the UK Parliament in 1944).
1,800 people were massacred by ELAS at Meligala".
May I remind that the title of an event is not necessarily the result of historical investigation, and any discussion of its accuracy is off topic. What it matters in WP articles is that the title is used, even by a minority of authors.-- Skylax30 ( talk) 14:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
# Source n.3. states that people were MASSACRED at meligalas. # Source n.4 is a dialogue in the british parliament and it is completely irrelevant, much less a reliable source # Source n.5 States that "his family was massacred by the NAZIS" and the word "Meligalas" is nowhere to be found # Source n.6 is A greek author with 0 expertise on the subject
On top of that, the same user claims that the Greek wikipedia suffers from "Made in Greece Stalinist agiography" (Greek: Made in Greece σταλινική αγιογραφία,final sentence of the 2nd paragraph), claims that a communist conspiracy controls the Greek Wiki, hence his contributions are not allowed. It is the most clear and pure form of vandalism combined with POV , and it should be regarded as such . Ιπποκράτης2020 ( talk) 14:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
And for Ιπποκράτης2020: Yes, I have seen this page. Yes, I have seen your POV-pushing. And yes, I have already requested a page protection to stop this edit war. The Banner talk 17:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
May I remind everybody that the deleted phrase in LEAD says (it can be stated more explicitly) that the Battle of Maligalas is also called massacre of Meligalas. It doesn't say whether this title is justified or not. Therefore, the arguments about the "expertise" of the authors who use it are irrelevant. Does anybody here claim that the therm "massacre of Meligalas" is not used by some authors in various languages? Personally, I claim that I can read the term clearly in many publications of various disciplines.-- Skylax30 ( talk) 11:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
I am sure that you don't care discussing, Ippokrates. Just state here if you can see or not the term "massacre of Meligalas" as alternative for the "Battle". Here are some more sources. This French source actually links the "massacre of Meligalas" to the present article, therefore some are aware for the equivalency of the terms and use both because they like so. This is the kind of "reliability" you are asking for. And since the rest of the article does verify this title, you have one reason less to argue against it.
Comment: We need to have multiple RS (Sources linking to WP do not qualify) that are referring to the event as "the massacre of Meligalas". I see none of them. The link from Slate links to WP. The Portuguese book is published by
Clube de Autores which is "a major self-publishing platform in Latin America" according to WP article.
Cinadon
36 12:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
The question is if the term "massacre of Meligalas" or "Meligalas massacre" is used or not in texts that can be encountered by a reader. "Expertise" is irrelevant, especially when nobody disputes that a massacre did happen. Repetition of arguments about "reliable" sources shows either bad faith or ignorance of rules.-- Skylax30 ( talk) 16:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)