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This article is not wikified, not encyclopedic, and not coherent. Will need much work, which I may not be able to give it. I'm working on too many articles as it is. Zora 00:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
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I have added reference to the Battle of Chaldiran in the "See Also" section. The Battle of Chaldiran was fought a decade before the First Battle of Panipat. The Ottomans made extensive use of cannons and firearms protected by a barricade of carts to win the battle. Babur procured his cannons and firearms from the Ottomans and used the similar tactics to win the battle.
I have added reference to the Battle of Ghaghra since this was the last major battle fought by Babur in India. This battle consolidated his empire.
Please review these changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayonpradhan ( talk • contribs) 05:57, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an expanding project, and good content is always welcomeOf course...in a separate article. You are always welcome to create one.
It will take me time to write an appropriate response to this message and, unlike other edits, it is not something I can do whilst eating breakfast. I'm currently at work and I'll respond when I get the chance. I'm asking you to have the same patience with me which I had with the timing of your own replies. Thank you.
Alivardi
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11:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Violates WP:NPOVThe neutrality policy doesn't require opposite parties to be equally praised; it requires us to use neutral language for all sides. You've previously said that the article praises Babur in a similar way to the edit in question, but beyond noting his methods of achieving victory, I do not see what you are referring to. What happens in other articles should not be taken as examples, for unless they are among the featured, they are just as fallible to such issues as we are discussing.
Not related to the articleI do not believe I've ever said this. I only stated that this level of detail is irrelevant.
Too bigI want to point out that a total of five conflicts were mentioned in that section. Why does this particular skirmish need to take up nearly half the space?
Separate article requiredI did not say that a new article was required, nor did I mean that the content be simply copy-and-pasted into it. You are free to create this hypothetical article if you wish and expand it as much as you see fit.
Bloated and fawningAddressed above. For the record, we are very careful citing such ancient writers as Plutarch and Levy here as per WP:AGE MATTERS.
However, Nizam Khan, the commander of Bayana, opened negotiations with both Babur and Afghans.Then mention of sentence
The force sent by Babur to Bayana was defeated and dispersed by Rana Sanga.is coming too sudden and ending abruptly. Link between Nizam Khan and Rana Sanga is not clear enough.
The force sent by Babur to Bayana was defeated and dispersed by Rana Sanga.and the deleted line
The Rana continued with his army and attacked the Mughal advance guard on 21st february 1527 and completely decimated it. Reinforcements sent by Babur met the same fate.to some extent
Forcing the governor Mehdi Khwaja to flee to Babur.Info of Mehdi Khwaja appears suddenly without informing he is governer of which place? And when battle of 'Bayana' going on where is 'Humayun' is not clear from the section info. At times many aspects of History are not available or not clear is understandable but that needs to be stated clearly. Process of summarizing should not be reason of information gap So I hope editors will cross check on this aspect.
which was the problem behind the issue Alivardi raised....It wasn't the only problem.
@ 183.83.147.61: and @ Alivardi:
Following are just suggestions you can decide if those or ok or need further improvement. Thanks and best wishes Bookku ( talk) 15:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
..The foe swooped on our troops and put them to rout..." ahead he mentions about some of his gentry "
..either out of fear or to scare others..,..,..and others from Bayana, praised and extolled the valour and ferocity of Rajput troops.[1]
They (Mughals) had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs, ... found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed. The Rajputs, ... were ready to meet, face to face,... all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
— William Erskine, " Rana Sanga", 'A History of India Under the Two First Sovereigns of the House of Taimur Baber and Humayun' P. 464
They (Mughals) had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs, ... found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed. The Rajputs, ... were ready to meet, face to face,... all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
Earlier point of discussion just for quick ref in needed.
[1]
Full Quote for just for ref
They had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs, in which they had been severely handled and taught to respect their new enemy. A party from the garrison had some days before incautiously advanced too far from the fort, when the Rajputs fell upon them and drove them in. All the troops engaged in this affair united in bestowing unbounded praise on the gallantry and prowess of the enemy. Indeed the Jaghtai Turks had found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed. The Rajputs, energetic, chivalrous, fond of battle and bloodshed, animated by strong national spirit and led on by a hero, were ready to meet, face to face, the boldest veterans of the camp and were at all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
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== About Rana sanga inviting babur ==
Please see this
https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.10571/page/n47/mode/1up
Rana didn't invited babur — Preceding
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Chariotrider555 (
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'However, Indologist Gopinath Sharma who is well known for his scholarly work on..' is there any way to verify if he is truly an 'Indologist' as i fail to find him on any site so far. I would find it disconcerting and concerning to falsely cite individuals with professionalism without certifying it. BobRutsa ( talk) 16:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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This article is not wikified, not encyclopedic, and not coherent. Will need much work, which I may not be able to give it. I'm working on too many articles as it is. Zora 00:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Ensured that the article is within project scope, tagged for task forces, and assessed for class. -- Rosiestep ( talk) 01:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Note: {{ WP India}} Project Banner with Rajasthan workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Rajasthan or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
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File:Early matchlocks.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at
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I have added reference to the Battle of Chaldiran in the "See Also" section. The Battle of Chaldiran was fought a decade before the First Battle of Panipat. The Ottomans made extensive use of cannons and firearms protected by a barricade of carts to win the battle. Babur procured his cannons and firearms from the Ottomans and used the similar tactics to win the battle.
I have added reference to the Battle of Ghaghra since this was the last major battle fought by Babur in India. This battle consolidated his empire.
Please review these changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayonpradhan ( talk • contribs) 05:57, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an expanding project, and good content is always welcomeOf course...in a separate article. You are always welcome to create one.
It will take me time to write an appropriate response to this message and, unlike other edits, it is not something I can do whilst eating breakfast. I'm currently at work and I'll respond when I get the chance. I'm asking you to have the same patience with me which I had with the timing of your own replies. Thank you.
Alivardi
(talk)
11:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Violates WP:NPOVThe neutrality policy doesn't require opposite parties to be equally praised; it requires us to use neutral language for all sides. You've previously said that the article praises Babur in a similar way to the edit in question, but beyond noting his methods of achieving victory, I do not see what you are referring to. What happens in other articles should not be taken as examples, for unless they are among the featured, they are just as fallible to such issues as we are discussing.
Not related to the articleI do not believe I've ever said this. I only stated that this level of detail is irrelevant.
Too bigI want to point out that a total of five conflicts were mentioned in that section. Why does this particular skirmish need to take up nearly half the space?
Separate article requiredI did not say that a new article was required, nor did I mean that the content be simply copy-and-pasted into it. You are free to create this hypothetical article if you wish and expand it as much as you see fit.
Bloated and fawningAddressed above. For the record, we are very careful citing such ancient writers as Plutarch and Levy here as per WP:AGE MATTERS.
However, Nizam Khan, the commander of Bayana, opened negotiations with both Babur and Afghans.Then mention of sentence
The force sent by Babur to Bayana was defeated and dispersed by Rana Sanga.is coming too sudden and ending abruptly. Link between Nizam Khan and Rana Sanga is not clear enough.
The force sent by Babur to Bayana was defeated and dispersed by Rana Sanga.and the deleted line
The Rana continued with his army and attacked the Mughal advance guard on 21st february 1527 and completely decimated it. Reinforcements sent by Babur met the same fate.to some extent
Forcing the governor Mehdi Khwaja to flee to Babur.Info of Mehdi Khwaja appears suddenly without informing he is governer of which place? And when battle of 'Bayana' going on where is 'Humayun' is not clear from the section info. At times many aspects of History are not available or not clear is understandable but that needs to be stated clearly. Process of summarizing should not be reason of information gap So I hope editors will cross check on this aspect.
which was the problem behind the issue Alivardi raised....It wasn't the only problem.
@ 183.83.147.61: and @ Alivardi:
Following are just suggestions you can decide if those or ok or need further improvement. Thanks and best wishes Bookku ( talk) 15:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
..The foe swooped on our troops and put them to rout..." ahead he mentions about some of his gentry "
..either out of fear or to scare others..,..,..and others from Bayana, praised and extolled the valour and ferocity of Rajput troops.[1]
They (Mughals) had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs, ... found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed. The Rajputs, ... were ready to meet, face to face,... all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
— William Erskine, " Rana Sanga", 'A History of India Under the Two First Sovereigns of the House of Taimur Baber and Humayun' P. 464
They (Mughals) had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs, ... found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed. The Rajputs, ... were ready to meet, face to face,... all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
Earlier point of discussion just for quick ref in needed.
[1]
Full Quote for just for ref
They had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs, in which they had been severely handled and taught to respect their new enemy. A party from the garrison had some days before incautiously advanced too far from the fort, when the Rajputs fell upon them and drove them in. All the troops engaged in this affair united in bestowing unbounded praise on the gallantry and prowess of the enemy. Indeed the Jaghtai Turks had found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed. The Rajputs, energetic, chivalrous, fond of battle and bloodshed, animated by strong national spirit and led on by a hero, were ready to meet, face to face, the boldest veterans of the camp and were at all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
[3]
References
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
/ |date=
mismatch (
help)
== About Rana sanga inviting babur ==
Please see this
https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.10571/page/n47/mode/1up
Rana didn't invited babur — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Sungpeshwe9 (
talk •
contribs) 10:39, 10 December 2020 (UTC) Blocked sock
Chariotrider555 (
talk)
02:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
'However, Indologist Gopinath Sharma who is well known for his scholarly work on..' is there any way to verify if he is truly an 'Indologist' as i fail to find him on any site so far. I would find it disconcerting and concerning to falsely cite individuals with professionalism without certifying it. BobRutsa ( talk) 16:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)