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This article was created by Baba Mica ( talk · contribs) back in June 2022, as the result of a decision to split information about the war from the article about Huliaipole. Its title "Battle of Huliaipole" was conceived as a temporary measure, but this title has no basis in any of the cited sources, which as far as I know never describe the situation in Huliaipole as a "battle".
I continued contributing to the article with this in the back of my mind, but I'm starting to think that this needs addressing sooner rather than later. Russian and Ukrainian forces are currently massing in Melitopol and Huliaipole respectively, with a number of sources predicting an imminent offensive in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. (Obviously Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so I want to focus on what has already happened, not what may happen. This is just what spurred me to open this discussion.)
As such, I'm bringing this up here to discuss not just the title, but the scope of this article. While the fighting around Huliaipole has certainly been notable - being the centre of attention in a number of articles - it is by no means unique. The same skirmishes that have affected Huliaipole have also affected Orikhiv on the Ukrainian side, as well as Polohy and Vasylivka on the Russian side. (To only name the largest cities)
Going off what Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk · contribs) suggested in the previous discussion, I propose that this article be renamed to Zaporizhzhia campaign (per Southern Ukraine campaign and Eastern Ukraine campaign) and its content be retuned to focus more broadly on the frontline through Zaporizhzhia Oblast - which has remained largely unmoved since the outbreak of the conflict.
As this is quite a big and potentially controversial proposal, I would appreciate any comments people have on this and, if there's consensus for the change, would also appreciate a helping hand in any rewrites that need to happen. (Pinging other article contributors: Baba Mica — Super Dromaeosaurus — Keith D — Dawsongfg — SilverSzymonPL — Jebiguess — Sneeuwschaap — RadioactiveBoulevardier — Prolog — Yulia Romero) -- Grnrchst ( talk) 12:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
In the Zaporizhzhia direction, the [Russian forces] shelled the settlements of Vremivka in the Donetsk Region and Zelene Pole, Novopil, Novodarivka, Malynivka, Huliaipole, Dorozhnianka, Huliaipilske, Charivne, and Mali Shcherbaky in the Zaporizhzhia Region. [1]
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I would argue that virtually all of the shelling, drone strikes, and "failed/repelled Russian assaults" here are not notable. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 06:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
starting in the november 2022 sections, the article seems to have been using far more citations than it needs to. for example, one of the sentences in the june 2023 section has eighteen citations attached to it. i am not sure if this is necessary BWludXM4 ( talk) 02:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Like 90% of this article is just day-by-day reporting of every shelling on the city. Can't we just condense this to a few sentences about "Russian forces have heavily shelled Huliaipole and neighboring frontline settlements, total civilian casualties are [number]"? As is, this article is almost unreadable - I have to scan through the day-by-day stuff to find anything about the actual military situation. HappyWith ( talk) 01:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Would anybody be opposed if I entirely removed the sections for January 2024, February 2024, March 2024, and April 2024 on WP:INDISCRIMINATE grounds? I fail to see what's notable about these constant artillery bombardments and drone strikes. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 21:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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This article was created by Baba Mica ( talk · contribs) back in June 2022, as the result of a decision to split information about the war from the article about Huliaipole. Its title "Battle of Huliaipole" was conceived as a temporary measure, but this title has no basis in any of the cited sources, which as far as I know never describe the situation in Huliaipole as a "battle".
I continued contributing to the article with this in the back of my mind, but I'm starting to think that this needs addressing sooner rather than later. Russian and Ukrainian forces are currently massing in Melitopol and Huliaipole respectively, with a number of sources predicting an imminent offensive in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. (Obviously Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so I want to focus on what has already happened, not what may happen. This is just what spurred me to open this discussion.)
As such, I'm bringing this up here to discuss not just the title, but the scope of this article. While the fighting around Huliaipole has certainly been notable - being the centre of attention in a number of articles - it is by no means unique. The same skirmishes that have affected Huliaipole have also affected Orikhiv on the Ukrainian side, as well as Polohy and Vasylivka on the Russian side. (To only name the largest cities)
Going off what Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk · contribs) suggested in the previous discussion, I propose that this article be renamed to Zaporizhzhia campaign (per Southern Ukraine campaign and Eastern Ukraine campaign) and its content be retuned to focus more broadly on the frontline through Zaporizhzhia Oblast - which has remained largely unmoved since the outbreak of the conflict.
As this is quite a big and potentially controversial proposal, I would appreciate any comments people have on this and, if there's consensus for the change, would also appreciate a helping hand in any rewrites that need to happen. (Pinging other article contributors: Baba Mica — Super Dromaeosaurus — Keith D — Dawsongfg — SilverSzymonPL — Jebiguess — Sneeuwschaap — RadioactiveBoulevardier — Prolog — Yulia Romero) -- Grnrchst ( talk) 12:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
In the Zaporizhzhia direction, the [Russian forces] shelled the settlements of Vremivka in the Donetsk Region and Zelene Pole, Novopil, Novodarivka, Malynivka, Huliaipole, Dorozhnianka, Huliaipilske, Charivne, and Mali Shcherbaky in the Zaporizhzhia Region. [1]
Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I would argue that virtually all of the shelling, drone strikes, and "failed/repelled Russian assaults" here are not notable. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 06:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
starting in the november 2022 sections, the article seems to have been using far more citations than it needs to. for example, one of the sentences in the june 2023 section has eighteen citations attached to it. i am not sure if this is necessary BWludXM4 ( talk) 02:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
Like 90% of this article is just day-by-day reporting of every shelling on the city. Can't we just condense this to a few sentences about "Russian forces have heavily shelled Huliaipole and neighboring frontline settlements, total civilian casualties are [number]"? As is, this article is almost unreadable - I have to scan through the day-by-day stuff to find anything about the actual military situation. HappyWith ( talk) 01:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Would anybody be opposed if I entirely removed the sections for January 2024, February 2024, March 2024, and April 2024 on WP:INDISCRIMINATE grounds? I fail to see what's notable about these constant artillery bombardments and drone strikes. SaintPaulOfTarsus ( talk) 21:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)