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Do we usually label battles as 1st before a subsequent one has begun? 64.43.183.222 ( talk) 01:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
The infobox currently has a footnote claiming "To delete parts of the phases or to add please discuss in the talk page before any changes". Shouldn't this belong in a comment inside the source code, rather than a footnote displayed in the article itself, as it is only indented for editors rather than any reader? It feels quite unencyclopedic to have it out in the open like this. Chaotic Enby ( talk) 12:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The original article for the battle mentioned a quick RSF seizure of Geneina on April 15, a second capture on May 2, and a third capture of the city on May 14. I could not find any source for this, and the sources used to back the claims up did not mention anything about an RSF capture of Geneina. Most talked about the battle in Khartoum, and even then, not an RSF capture of the city. It seems these RSF victory claims are unfounded, and due to repeated inclusions of the material, I was wondering if anyone could corroborate this. Jebiguess ( talk) 16:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
To say that every pause or attempted ceasefire in fighting represents a completely new "phase" in fighting is untrue. No sources describe a "first" or "second" or "third" or "fourth" phase of fighting in Geneina, and if every pause in fighting is treated as the battle taking a whole new form, then we may end up with well over ten phases of this single battle. They aren't really useful in explaining the battle, and, either way, the "Date" section of a battles' article rarely ever specifies different phases of fighting. Such info is usually not included in the infobox at all, and if it is, it's generally referred to in the "Result" section, in case each phase has different results. In this case, there is already a good amount of detail that goes into the status of the battle, so the phases don't really have a use, or a justification to be there Presidentofyes12 ( talk) 19:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
10,000 killed? Surely this deserves its own page. Teutonkahmun ( talk) 15:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
After the clashes in the northern part of Geneina this week, killed 800 people. I'm looking for a expansion of the article possibly. There's a lot of new sources talking about the West Darfur atrocities, primarily the Geneina massacre. So we could use this moment to extend the article further add new info.
Any thoughts?
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Battle of Geneina → Geneina massacre – Referring to the page as the Battle of Geneina made sense when it was first created, but the June massacres and new details and reports revealing the amount of the destruction and killings shows that this was moreso a coordinated campaign of massacres and attacks by the RSF and allied militias against the Masalit people in Geneina, with just about every source highlighting the genocidal massacres and atrocities over the clashes. Jebiguess ( talk) 03:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 06:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 03:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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Do we usually label battles as 1st before a subsequent one has begun? 64.43.183.222 ( talk) 01:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
The infobox currently has a footnote claiming "To delete parts of the phases or to add please discuss in the talk page before any changes". Shouldn't this belong in a comment inside the source code, rather than a footnote displayed in the article itself, as it is only indented for editors rather than any reader? It feels quite unencyclopedic to have it out in the open like this. Chaotic Enby ( talk) 12:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The original article for the battle mentioned a quick RSF seizure of Geneina on April 15, a second capture on May 2, and a third capture of the city on May 14. I could not find any source for this, and the sources used to back the claims up did not mention anything about an RSF capture of Geneina. Most talked about the battle in Khartoum, and even then, not an RSF capture of the city. It seems these RSF victory claims are unfounded, and due to repeated inclusions of the material, I was wondering if anyone could corroborate this. Jebiguess ( talk) 16:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
To say that every pause or attempted ceasefire in fighting represents a completely new "phase" in fighting is untrue. No sources describe a "first" or "second" or "third" or "fourth" phase of fighting in Geneina, and if every pause in fighting is treated as the battle taking a whole new form, then we may end up with well over ten phases of this single battle. They aren't really useful in explaining the battle, and, either way, the "Date" section of a battles' article rarely ever specifies different phases of fighting. Such info is usually not included in the infobox at all, and if it is, it's generally referred to in the "Result" section, in case each phase has different results. In this case, there is already a good amount of detail that goes into the status of the battle, so the phases don't really have a use, or a justification to be there Presidentofyes12 ( talk) 19:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
10,000 killed? Surely this deserves its own page. Teutonkahmun ( talk) 15:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
After the clashes in the northern part of Geneina this week, killed 800 people. I'm looking for a expansion of the article possibly. There's a lot of new sources talking about the West Darfur atrocities, primarily the Geneina massacre. So we could use this moment to extend the article further add new info.
Any thoughts?
Subaru2000 (
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14:11, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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Battle of Geneina → Geneina massacre – Referring to the page as the Battle of Geneina made sense when it was first created, but the June massacres and new details and reports revealing the amount of the destruction and killings shows that this was moreso a coordinated campaign of massacres and attacks by the RSF and allied militias against the Masalit people in Geneina, with just about every source highlighting the genocidal massacres and atrocities over the clashes. Jebiguess ( talk) 03:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 06:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 03:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)