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"coppered ships": presumably copper-bottomed?? Presumably not, "full of policemen", but will somebody please elucidate or define? orthogonal 18:44, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)
the usual term is "coppered".
The article Juan de Lángara claims the Spanish had "11, mostly smaller ships-of-the-line" and the British "21 battleships and 11 frigates". (Other accounts give other numbers.) What were these ships?
Spanish: Santo Domingo (exploded), Fénix, 80 (flagship, captured, renamed Gibraltar), Monarca, 70 (captured), San Julian (captured, but sank two days later), Princesa, 74 (captured), Diligente, 68 (captured), Guispuscoano, 64 (captured, renamed Prince William), ...?
British: Sandwich, 98 (flagship), Invincible, 74, Defence, 74, Bedford, Resolution, 74, Edgar, 74, Bienfaisant, 64, Prince George, 98, Monarch, 74, ...?
Sources: [1] Gdr 18:46, 2004 Dec 23 (UTC)
Prince George, as well? [2] Shimgray 17:34, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Fénix (the Spanish flagship) and Monarca are listed as captured [3] here. [4] mentions Santo Domingo as blowing up, and also mentions the Prince William - it isn't clear if this was part of the fleet or not, though. [5] suggests the Monarch may have been present, but is unclear.
Monarch confirmed by [6]. [7] is a useful source for launch dates and number of guns. Gdr 18:46, 2004 Dec 23 (UTC)
Must have been confusing, with the Monarch and the Monarca kicking around after the battle... It looks like the Prince William, on further reading, was sent back as a prize, so not her. As the fleet was that being sent to the West Indies (about which plenty is written), perhaps it would be useful to see what ships were present in that squadron a few months later? Shimgray 19:19, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The San Julian is mentioned here, which adds another ship to the Spanish list. Shimgray 23:15, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC) And [8] suggests Montagu may have been present? It's unclear and an assumption, though. And I think at this point I've dredged out everything I can without a real reference... Shimgray 23:54, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[9] suggests several ships. Colledge, Ships of the Royal Navy confirms Monarca, Diligente, Fénix and gives Guispuscoano as the original name of Prince William. Gdr 23:30, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC) check the Battleships throughout history page ->spanish
I thought I would clarify things by adding a full list to the page. The only uncertainty is that British accounts mostly say that two of the captured ships, San Julian and San Eugenio, were lost, but Spanish records say that they continued in service -- implying that they were recaptured. JimmyTheOne Oct05
The article and infobox both mention this, but if this battle really did have anything to do with America it needs to be explained. The same is true for several other articles covering British naval battles of this period - just because Britain was fighting the American War of Independence at the time doesn't automatically make every battle part of it. Riedquat ( talk) 22:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
This battle was NOT a part of the American Revolution and had nothing to do with it, period, whatsoever. Pleas stop including it as a part of the American Revolution series of articles. Do not undo my changes, and stop altogether or you will be warned for vandalism. 65.215.94.13 ( talk) 00:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
(undent) Here are some target sources; feel free to attack them: From the first page of http://books.google.com/books?lr=&q=%22American+Revolution%22+rodney+langara&btnG=Search+Books
Searches involving other possible designations for the war this battle might be a part of:
Ball's in your court. Magic ♪piano 18:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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In the introduction paragraph there was "about 20 ships of the line", however in the second paragraph of the background section, there is a sourced comment saying there was specifically 19. I don't have access to the source to double check it's correct, but should the intro be edited to make the number consistent throughout the article? Give me a shout if I've got the wrong idea here :) -- IrnBruFan7 ( talk) 09:29, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
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"coppered ships": presumably copper-bottomed?? Presumably not, "full of policemen", but will somebody please elucidate or define? orthogonal 18:44, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)
the usual term is "coppered".
The article Juan de Lángara claims the Spanish had "11, mostly smaller ships-of-the-line" and the British "21 battleships and 11 frigates". (Other accounts give other numbers.) What were these ships?
Spanish: Santo Domingo (exploded), Fénix, 80 (flagship, captured, renamed Gibraltar), Monarca, 70 (captured), San Julian (captured, but sank two days later), Princesa, 74 (captured), Diligente, 68 (captured), Guispuscoano, 64 (captured, renamed Prince William), ...?
British: Sandwich, 98 (flagship), Invincible, 74, Defence, 74, Bedford, Resolution, 74, Edgar, 74, Bienfaisant, 64, Prince George, 98, Monarch, 74, ...?
Sources: [1] Gdr 18:46, 2004 Dec 23 (UTC)
Prince George, as well? [2] Shimgray 17:34, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Fénix (the Spanish flagship) and Monarca are listed as captured [3] here. [4] mentions Santo Domingo as blowing up, and also mentions the Prince William - it isn't clear if this was part of the fleet or not, though. [5] suggests the Monarch may have been present, but is unclear.
Monarch confirmed by [6]. [7] is a useful source for launch dates and number of guns. Gdr 18:46, 2004 Dec 23 (UTC)
Must have been confusing, with the Monarch and the Monarca kicking around after the battle... It looks like the Prince William, on further reading, was sent back as a prize, so not her. As the fleet was that being sent to the West Indies (about which plenty is written), perhaps it would be useful to see what ships were present in that squadron a few months later? Shimgray 19:19, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The San Julian is mentioned here, which adds another ship to the Spanish list. Shimgray 23:15, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC) And [8] suggests Montagu may have been present? It's unclear and an assumption, though. And I think at this point I've dredged out everything I can without a real reference... Shimgray 23:54, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[9] suggests several ships. Colledge, Ships of the Royal Navy confirms Monarca, Diligente, Fénix and gives Guispuscoano as the original name of Prince William. Gdr 23:30, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC) check the Battleships throughout history page ->spanish
I thought I would clarify things by adding a full list to the page. The only uncertainty is that British accounts mostly say that two of the captured ships, San Julian and San Eugenio, were lost, but Spanish records say that they continued in service -- implying that they were recaptured. JimmyTheOne Oct05
The article and infobox both mention this, but if this battle really did have anything to do with America it needs to be explained. The same is true for several other articles covering British naval battles of this period - just because Britain was fighting the American War of Independence at the time doesn't automatically make every battle part of it. Riedquat ( talk) 22:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
This battle was NOT a part of the American Revolution and had nothing to do with it, period, whatsoever. Pleas stop including it as a part of the American Revolution series of articles. Do not undo my changes, and stop altogether or you will be warned for vandalism. 65.215.94.13 ( talk) 00:29, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
(undent) Here are some target sources; feel free to attack them: From the first page of http://books.google.com/books?lr=&q=%22American+Revolution%22+rodney+langara&btnG=Search+Books
Searches involving other possible designations for the war this battle might be a part of:
Ball's in your court. Magic ♪piano 18:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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In the introduction paragraph there was "about 20 ships of the line", however in the second paragraph of the background section, there is a sourced comment saying there was specifically 19. I don't have access to the source to double check it's correct, but should the intro be edited to make the number consistent throughout the article? Give me a shout if I've got the wrong idea here :) -- IrnBruFan7 ( talk) 09:29, 16 January 2019 (UTC)