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This article is misleading and needs a lot more information to be complete. The casualty estimates for the Indian side are very conservative based on what I found. This was more a massacre than it was a battle. I have found a few sources which might help out here.( [1], [2]) There it at least needs to be mentioned of how the battle played out, it wasn't just warriors that were killed. It would seem that the previous Indian Creek massacre may have been used for justification. ( [3]). IvoShandor 07:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
IvoShandor 21:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I started articles about Red Mound, Wisconsin and Retreat, Wisconsin in Vernon County, Wisconsin in case you need them. Thank you- RFD 15:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
If this was a "massacre" it was only due to the military ineptness of the Indians. These savages seem only to have had success when they attacked unexpectedly and in overwhelming numbers. I'm sick and tired of seeing Indians portrayed as victims. These people had no one but themselves to blame for their fate.
Daver852 ( talk) 19:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)daver852
Will finish this tomorrow, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
This can barely be known as such. Such reckless killing should be called a massacre. This is why I believe that the article should be changed to "Massacre of Bad Axe." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trilobite12 ( talk • contribs) 00:07, March 5, 2008
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The slaughter on the eastern bank of the river continued for eight hours. The soldiers shot at anyone--man, woman, or child--who ran for cover or tried to swim across the river. They shot women who were swimming with children on their backs; they shot wounded swimmers who were almost certain to drown anyway. Other women and children were killed as they tried to surrender. The soldiers scalped most of the dead bodies. From the backs of some of the dead, they cut long strips of flesh for razor strops.
Of the roughly four hundred Native Americans at the battle, most were killed (though many of their bodies were never found), some escaped across the river, and a few were taken prisoner. Of the one-hundred-and-fifty or so who crossed the river on August 1 and 2, moreover, few survived for long. Sioux warriors, acting in support of the army, tracked down most of them within a few weeks. Sixty-eight scalps, many from women, and twenty-two Sauk and Fox prisoners were brought by the Sioux to Joseph M. Street, the federal agent for the Winnebagoes at Prairie du Chien in late August.
I'm placing on hold for seven days to allow the above issues to be addressed. — Bellhalla ( talk) 06:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Battle of Bad Axe. The position arising from the discussion appears to be that while a number of reliable sources consider the battle to have been a massacre, the title "Battle of Bad Axe" is used considerably more often in those sources than "Bad Axe Massacre". The consensus, relying on WP:COMMONNAME, is therefore in favour of a move. Mkativerata ( talk) 20:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Bad Axe Massacre →
Battle of Bad Axe — Per
WP:COMMONNAME. This is the name overwhelmingly preferred by reliable sources. —
Kevin
Myers 01:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Was the Battle of Bad Axe a two-day "battle" or a one-day battle that was preceded by a skirmish the day before? This is more of a semantic issue than a substantive one, and affects only a few sentences and headings. The web article by James Lewis that is currently the predominant source for this article clearly describes it as a one-day battle. He writes: "Before dawn on August 2, the Battle of Bad Axe began." According to Lewis, the "Battle of Bad Axe" is what happened on August 2, and the encounter with the Warrior was a prelude to the "battle". Not every source is so explicit, but a quick Google Books survey suggests to me that other writers usually (but not always) take the same approach. Concur? — Kevin Myers 01:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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I think renaming this the "Bad Axe Massacre" article is in better taste than keeping it as a "battle," since a "battle" implies two sides of equal power, whereas this was a one sided turkey shoot on civilians. Thoughts? Ms.23 ( talk) 19:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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This article is misleading and needs a lot more information to be complete. The casualty estimates for the Indian side are very conservative based on what I found. This was more a massacre than it was a battle. I have found a few sources which might help out here.( [1], [2]) There it at least needs to be mentioned of how the battle played out, it wasn't just warriors that were killed. It would seem that the previous Indian Creek massacre may have been used for justification. ( [3]). IvoShandor 07:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
IvoShandor 21:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I started articles about Red Mound, Wisconsin and Retreat, Wisconsin in Vernon County, Wisconsin in case you need them. Thank you- RFD 15:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
If this was a "massacre" it was only due to the military ineptness of the Indians. These savages seem only to have had success when they attacked unexpectedly and in overwhelming numbers. I'm sick and tired of seeing Indians portrayed as victims. These people had no one but themselves to blame for their fate.
Daver852 ( talk) 19:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)daver852
Will finish this tomorrow, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
This can barely be known as such. Such reckless killing should be called a massacre. This is why I believe that the article should be changed to "Massacre of Bad Axe." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trilobite12 ( talk • contribs) 00:07, March 5, 2008
As requested, here are some comments on looking at the article with an eye to FAC. This looks pretty good and these are all pretty nitpicky. I also ran the semi-automated peer review script on it and it is below:
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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The slaughter on the eastern bank of the river continued for eight hours. The soldiers shot at anyone--man, woman, or child--who ran for cover or tried to swim across the river. They shot women who were swimming with children on their backs; they shot wounded swimmers who were almost certain to drown anyway. Other women and children were killed as they tried to surrender. The soldiers scalped most of the dead bodies. From the backs of some of the dead, they cut long strips of flesh for razor strops.
Of the roughly four hundred Native Americans at the battle, most were killed (though many of their bodies were never found), some escaped across the river, and a few were taken prisoner. Of the one-hundred-and-fifty or so who crossed the river on August 1 and 2, moreover, few survived for long. Sioux warriors, acting in support of the army, tracked down most of them within a few weeks. Sixty-eight scalps, many from women, and twenty-two Sauk and Fox prisoners were brought by the Sioux to Joseph M. Street, the federal agent for the Winnebagoes at Prairie du Chien in late August.
I'm placing on hold for seven days to allow the above issues to be addressed. — Bellhalla ( talk) 06:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Battle of Bad Axe. The position arising from the discussion appears to be that while a number of reliable sources consider the battle to have been a massacre, the title "Battle of Bad Axe" is used considerably more often in those sources than "Bad Axe Massacre". The consensus, relying on WP:COMMONNAME, is therefore in favour of a move. Mkativerata ( talk) 20:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Bad Axe Massacre →
Battle of Bad Axe — Per
WP:COMMONNAME. This is the name overwhelmingly preferred by reliable sources. —
Kevin
Myers 01:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Was the Battle of Bad Axe a two-day "battle" or a one-day battle that was preceded by a skirmish the day before? This is more of a semantic issue than a substantive one, and affects only a few sentences and headings. The web article by James Lewis that is currently the predominant source for this article clearly describes it as a one-day battle. He writes: "Before dawn on August 2, the Battle of Bad Axe began." According to Lewis, the "Battle of Bad Axe" is what happened on August 2, and the encounter with the Warrior was a prelude to the "battle". Not every source is so explicit, but a quick Google Books survey suggests to me that other writers usually (but not always) take the same approach. Concur? — Kevin Myers 01:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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I think renaming this the "Bad Axe Massacre" article is in better taste than keeping it as a "battle," since a "battle" implies two sides of equal power, whereas this was a one sided turkey shoot on civilians. Thoughts? Ms.23 ( talk) 19:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)