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Did you know... that in Eve Online, the Battle of Asakai became one of the largest online battles after a single player made an accidental move that escalated the conflict to include more than 3,000 players?
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... that a
virtual conflict in the online game Eve Online, the Battle of Asakai grew to involve over 3,000 game players after a player made a single mis-click?
@
3family6: I've made a slight change to the hook explaining that it took place in Eve Online, though for now I'll leave the review to another editor. I'm not sure though if Eve Online or the battle's name should be mentioned first in the hook.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew13:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)reply
QPQ done, new enough, long enough. Hook needs some copy-editing. The lead is too long, and very confusing. I might suggest discussing more of hy this article is relevant, and less on the detail. --
evrik(
talk)04:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Why did the misclick lead to the large game? Your current article lead could be an article in itself. It should be copyedit to shorten it. It doesn't have to be so granular. --
evrik(
talk)04:01, 8 June 2020 (UTC)reply
What confuses me about ALT1 is the phrase "opened the game"—to me that means that they'd done something to allow 3000 players previously barred from joining by some game rule or software exclusion to suddenly be able to join, rather than a mis-click that caused a strategic shift and resulted in an extended battle that attracted increasing numbers of players (which was also helped along by a new time-stretching feature that allowed more people to pile on). I'm not sure how to rephrase it, though.
BlueMoonset (
talk)
14:12, 9 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Evrik: please don't approve articles that you think need copy-editing. You're just leaving it up to the promoter to have to copyedit the thing. Already I see a sentence at the beginning of a section that has no commas or hyphens and is hard to parse: EVE Online is a persistent world massively multiplayer online role playing space trading and combat game. Ask the nominator to submit it to
WP:GOCE before approval. Thanks,
Yoninah (
talk)
17:42, 15 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Here are some notes from my copy edit of the article:
Regarding capitalization of dreadnought, titan, etc. Generally, we treat something as a proper noun if reliable sources treat is as a proper noun. The Gaming Trend source uses inconsistent capitalization with dreadnought and battleship, and consistently uses lowercase for cruiser and carrier/supercarrier. I feel as though these are being used as generic terms. Titan, however, is consistently capitalized by Gaming Trend, and seems to be a class of ship rather than a type of ship (Titan-class supercapital ship). I'm not so sure about heavy interdictors. So I think capitalize Titan and lowercase all the others. (It's okay to capitalize them in the infobox list.)
From the source, the first heavy interdictor belonged to DnD, not PL.
I didn't find the statement CFC-controlled space was closer, allowing CFC to respond with reinforcements quicker than the opposing alliances in the Eurogamer source, and it seems to contradict the later statement that Asakai was centrally located and near both CFC and HBC space, neither coalition had a significant advantage in approaching the system.
Per WP:NTEMP, "once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." The topic definitely meets GNG, since all four criteria are satisfied and it doesn't violate what Wikipedia is not. And some of that coverage is sustained: The battle was referenced in multiple independent sources in comparison to the later
Bloodbath of B-R5RB, and another source dates from 2016. And the article meets
WP:SBST, because several sources provide critical analysis.--
3family6 (
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21:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
3family6,
WP:SUSTAINED notes that "brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability" and, with one exception, the sources were all published within days of the event in specialist publications, some of which appear not even to be
WP:RS. I really don't see how it gets anywhere near
WP:NEVENTS. —Brigade Piron (
talk)
10:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Bernanke's Crossbow, I believe that at least all of the bigger ships do have names. However, none of these have been reported in secondary sources (except maybe for Dabigredboat's, his might have been reported). I don't play the game and I'm not sure what primary source(s) would have these names.--
3family6 (
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20:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Regarding this question. All ships can be named, although the name of the ship sometimes is confused by a number of things, for instance it's class or the specific player piloting the ship. For instance a player piloting an "Astero" (A tech 1, pirate class, exploration frigate) could name their ship, perhaps calling it "Trumpet"; it's still an Astero ship though. The designated name a player gives to their ship has only a few player interactions. The name is listed in the players asset hanger, and is listed on a long range scanning feature called direction scan (dscan).
Players only rarely refer to ships by their designated name and rather use a different category like it's hull type
Players learn to distinguish the capabilities and threat of a ship based off the following categories from most to least important.
1. Hull Size (frigates being smallest, cruisers and the larger battleships are most plentiful and well rounded, titans being largest).
2. Hull name, this is the specific type of hull a ship can be, for instance common cruiser hulls are the ishtar, muninn, cynabal, caracal. Each hull type has unique attributes a player will eventually learn to distinguish.
3. Tech 1, 2, 3: This represents the complexity of constructing the ship as well correspondlingly increasing capability and survivability.
A fact from Battle of Asakai appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 June 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that in Eve Online, the Battle of Asakai became one of the largest online battles after a single player made an accidental move that escalated the conflict to include more than 3,000 players?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Science Fiction, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
science fiction on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Science FictionWikipedia:WikiProject Science FictionTemplate:WikiProject Science Fictionscience fiction articles
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that a
virtual conflict in the online game Eve Online, the Battle of Asakai grew to involve over 3,000 game players after a player made a single mis-click?
@
3family6: I've made a slight change to the hook explaining that it took place in Eve Online, though for now I'll leave the review to another editor. I'm not sure though if Eve Online or the battle's name should be mentioned first in the hook.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew13:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)reply
QPQ done, new enough, long enough. Hook needs some copy-editing. The lead is too long, and very confusing. I might suggest discussing more of hy this article is relevant, and less on the detail. --
evrik(
talk)04:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Why did the misclick lead to the large game? Your current article lead could be an article in itself. It should be copyedit to shorten it. It doesn't have to be so granular. --
evrik(
talk)04:01, 8 June 2020 (UTC)reply
What confuses me about ALT1 is the phrase "opened the game"—to me that means that they'd done something to allow 3000 players previously barred from joining by some game rule or software exclusion to suddenly be able to join, rather than a mis-click that caused a strategic shift and resulted in an extended battle that attracted increasing numbers of players (which was also helped along by a new time-stretching feature that allowed more people to pile on). I'm not sure how to rephrase it, though.
BlueMoonset (
talk)
14:12, 9 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Evrik: please don't approve articles that you think need copy-editing. You're just leaving it up to the promoter to have to copyedit the thing. Already I see a sentence at the beginning of a section that has no commas or hyphens and is hard to parse: EVE Online is a persistent world massively multiplayer online role playing space trading and combat game. Ask the nominator to submit it to
WP:GOCE before approval. Thanks,
Yoninah (
talk)
17:42, 15 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Here are some notes from my copy edit of the article:
Regarding capitalization of dreadnought, titan, etc. Generally, we treat something as a proper noun if reliable sources treat is as a proper noun. The Gaming Trend source uses inconsistent capitalization with dreadnought and battleship, and consistently uses lowercase for cruiser and carrier/supercarrier. I feel as though these are being used as generic terms. Titan, however, is consistently capitalized by Gaming Trend, and seems to be a class of ship rather than a type of ship (Titan-class supercapital ship). I'm not so sure about heavy interdictors. So I think capitalize Titan and lowercase all the others. (It's okay to capitalize them in the infobox list.)
From the source, the first heavy interdictor belonged to DnD, not PL.
I didn't find the statement CFC-controlled space was closer, allowing CFC to respond with reinforcements quicker than the opposing alliances in the Eurogamer source, and it seems to contradict the later statement that Asakai was centrally located and near both CFC and HBC space, neither coalition had a significant advantage in approaching the system.
Per WP:NTEMP, "once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." The topic definitely meets GNG, since all four criteria are satisfied and it doesn't violate what Wikipedia is not. And some of that coverage is sustained: The battle was referenced in multiple independent sources in comparison to the later
Bloodbath of B-R5RB, and another source dates from 2016. And the article meets
WP:SBST, because several sources provide critical analysis.--
3family6 (
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See what I have done)
21:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
3family6,
WP:SUSTAINED notes that "brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability" and, with one exception, the sources were all published within days of the event in specialist publications, some of which appear not even to be
WP:RS. I really don't see how it gets anywhere near
WP:NEVENTS. —Brigade Piron (
talk)
10:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Bernanke's Crossbow, I believe that at least all of the bigger ships do have names. However, none of these have been reported in secondary sources (except maybe for Dabigredboat's, his might have been reported). I don't play the game and I'm not sure what primary source(s) would have these names.--
3family6 (
Talk to me |
See what I have done)
20:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Regarding this question. All ships can be named, although the name of the ship sometimes is confused by a number of things, for instance it's class or the specific player piloting the ship. For instance a player piloting an "Astero" (A tech 1, pirate class, exploration frigate) could name their ship, perhaps calling it "Trumpet"; it's still an Astero ship though. The designated name a player gives to their ship has only a few player interactions. The name is listed in the players asset hanger, and is listed on a long range scanning feature called direction scan (dscan).
Players only rarely refer to ships by their designated name and rather use a different category like it's hull type
Players learn to distinguish the capabilities and threat of a ship based off the following categories from most to least important.
1. Hull Size (frigates being smallest, cruisers and the larger battleships are most plentiful and well rounded, titans being largest).
2. Hull name, this is the specific type of hull a ship can be, for instance common cruiser hulls are the ishtar, muninn, cynabal, caracal. Each hull type has unique attributes a player will eventually learn to distinguish.
3. Tech 1, 2, 3: This represents the complexity of constructing the ship as well correspondlingly increasing capability and survivability.