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The section on the end about blows to noncritical areas causing possible death seems both redundant and is poorly written.
Is there a reason why this article refers to pepper spray, Tasers, and batons as "tools" instead of weapons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.36.20 ( talk) 08:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Probably because calling it a weapon gives it a negative connotation. In much the same way that 'police force' sounds passive aggressive, whereas 'police service' simply sounds passive neutral. It's more of a deterrent in application anyway, whereas weapons intend to harm or outright kill with minimal effort. - NemFX ( talk) 03:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Rapid rotation batons focus on handle characteristics that permit rapid and fluid grip changes as well as incorporating an additional hand protector and "rotator" to a normal tonfa in the form of a "cross-guard". It is purportedly effective as an extreme close quarter baton against grips, grabs, body holds and ground defense. It has recently been picked up by the Federal Bureau of Prisons for maximum custody use.
Roy Bedard, a Tallahassee Police officer, designed the RRB in 1995 due to his belief in that the current baton being offered was ineffective. The telescopic baton, usually known as the ASP baton, had a tendancy to collapse upon impact, and did not provide the user with a defensive position. The RRB is used by many different agencies, primarily for agencies who use community policing, due to the RRB's non-threatening carry position.
why was this section removed? i looked up info on the RRB and the talk page was the first result. I think it deserves to be on the page. Is it deemed low quality? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warmallis0n ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
A cuffing baton marries a baton design and an integrated handcuff. The baton itself is reminiscent of the steering wheel locking device commonly known as " the Club" - it has a long straight section and a "y-shaped" yoke at the other end. The yoke includes a triggered handcuff that can be remotely unlocked.
Notability issues here: no independent (non-press release) verification of Cuffing Baton's popularity, use, or innovative nature. -- 98.224.250.238 ( talk) 18:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
While illegal for civilians in California (as far as I know. I don't know CA law very well), I don't know if they're illegal in many other American states. They are not illegal in Maryland, for example, due to (among other factors) an interesting paradox: If the law were to rule them a "deadly weapon" explicitly, it would cause liability issues for police officers. While in reality not intending to be deadly, every use of the baton by a police officer would automatically qualify as "deadly force," with all the mess that comes with it. I don't know about other states though. I was intended to work that section to be a bit more balanced across the United States. Legitimus ( talk) 18:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The types of batons show would be strictly illegal everywhere I am aware of with the exception of the expandable baton; By law they must be a UNIFORM diameter, that is the same diameter from the grip to the tip (there’s some play from the grip down, but not much). ¿So why are patently illegal batons being displayed? (It can’t POSSIBLY be to generate ill-will to them or anything…) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.68.186 ( talk) 03:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
As a note to the above ; Telescopic Batons are not offensive weapons, rather they are defensive, intended for self defense ( being a blunt instrument )- perfectly legal to own in the UK. Any comment other than this openly legitimizes the UK Police therefore to carry offensive weapons- which is an illegal act for any persons, law enforcement personnel included. Am surprised that Wikipedia openly made such a erroneous legal statement in this regard. -- 86.129.226.205 ( talk)
There is another Wikipedia page called Club (weapon) that appears to duplicate, or at least to overlap with, this page. Thomas.Hedden ( talk) 02:54, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
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The section on this article claims that these two are of "similar design", but what I'm seeing is slightly different wording for exactly the same thing. Can anyone provide an explanation for how these two weapons are different, aside from the other article including less professionally-made weapons? -- Fyrael ( talk) 22:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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The article seems to suggest that the baton originated in Victorian England as the "billy club". Examples of these truncheons with a royal warrant painted on them come up frequently at auction from Georgian times.
Its origin as a badge of office is the "tipstaff" and these are mentioned as early as 1555. See Tipstaff
The tipstaff is represented on the badge of Assistant Chief Constables (Commanders, in the Met.) File:Rank_insignia_of_police_ACC_or_commander.jpg 151.170.240.200 ( talk) 05:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
This Article fell in the category "Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists", it has now been completed. It has been promoted to B-Class. It is recommended that it is nominated to GA-Class.
SEKDIS ( talk) 11:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
File:Chicago Protests - UNBADGED COP - WHERE'S YOUR BADGE - 5 30 2020.webm This video could be used to show the use of the baton in a crowd-control situation. Victor Grigas ( talk) 15:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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The section on the end about blows to noncritical areas causing possible death seems both redundant and is poorly written.
Is there a reason why this article refers to pepper spray, Tasers, and batons as "tools" instead of weapons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.36.20 ( talk) 08:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Probably because calling it a weapon gives it a negative connotation. In much the same way that 'police force' sounds passive aggressive, whereas 'police service' simply sounds passive neutral. It's more of a deterrent in application anyway, whereas weapons intend to harm or outright kill with minimal effort. - NemFX ( talk) 03:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Rapid rotation batons focus on handle characteristics that permit rapid and fluid grip changes as well as incorporating an additional hand protector and "rotator" to a normal tonfa in the form of a "cross-guard". It is purportedly effective as an extreme close quarter baton against grips, grabs, body holds and ground defense. It has recently been picked up by the Federal Bureau of Prisons for maximum custody use.
Roy Bedard, a Tallahassee Police officer, designed the RRB in 1995 due to his belief in that the current baton being offered was ineffective. The telescopic baton, usually known as the ASP baton, had a tendancy to collapse upon impact, and did not provide the user with a defensive position. The RRB is used by many different agencies, primarily for agencies who use community policing, due to the RRB's non-threatening carry position.
why was this section removed? i looked up info on the RRB and the talk page was the first result. I think it deserves to be on the page. Is it deemed low quality? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warmallis0n ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
A cuffing baton marries a baton design and an integrated handcuff. The baton itself is reminiscent of the steering wheel locking device commonly known as " the Club" - it has a long straight section and a "y-shaped" yoke at the other end. The yoke includes a triggered handcuff that can be remotely unlocked.
Notability issues here: no independent (non-press release) verification of Cuffing Baton's popularity, use, or innovative nature. -- 98.224.250.238 ( talk) 18:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
While illegal for civilians in California (as far as I know. I don't know CA law very well), I don't know if they're illegal in many other American states. They are not illegal in Maryland, for example, due to (among other factors) an interesting paradox: If the law were to rule them a "deadly weapon" explicitly, it would cause liability issues for police officers. While in reality not intending to be deadly, every use of the baton by a police officer would automatically qualify as "deadly force," with all the mess that comes with it. I don't know about other states though. I was intended to work that section to be a bit more balanced across the United States. Legitimus ( talk) 18:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The types of batons show would be strictly illegal everywhere I am aware of with the exception of the expandable baton; By law they must be a UNIFORM diameter, that is the same diameter from the grip to the tip (there’s some play from the grip down, but not much). ¿So why are patently illegal batons being displayed? (It can’t POSSIBLY be to generate ill-will to them or anything…) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.68.186 ( talk) 03:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
As a note to the above ; Telescopic Batons are not offensive weapons, rather they are defensive, intended for self defense ( being a blunt instrument )- perfectly legal to own in the UK. Any comment other than this openly legitimizes the UK Police therefore to carry offensive weapons- which is an illegal act for any persons, law enforcement personnel included. Am surprised that Wikipedia openly made such a erroneous legal statement in this regard. -- 86.129.226.205 ( talk)
There is another Wikipedia page called Club (weapon) that appears to duplicate, or at least to overlap with, this page. Thomas.Hedden ( talk) 02:54, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
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The section on this article claims that these two are of "similar design", but what I'm seeing is slightly different wording for exactly the same thing. Can anyone provide an explanation for how these two weapons are different, aside from the other article including less professionally-made weapons? -- Fyrael ( talk) 22:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Stanky Doodle. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. ~ Hydronium~Hydroxide~ (Talk)~ 08:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
The article seems to suggest that the baton originated in Victorian England as the "billy club". Examples of these truncheons with a royal warrant painted on them come up frequently at auction from Georgian times.
Its origin as a badge of office is the "tipstaff" and these are mentioned as early as 1555. See Tipstaff
The tipstaff is represented on the badge of Assistant Chief Constables (Commanders, in the Met.) File:Rank_insignia_of_police_ACC_or_commander.jpg 151.170.240.200 ( talk) 05:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
This Article fell in the category "Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists", it has now been completed. It has been promoted to B-Class. It is recommended that it is nominated to GA-Class.
SEKDIS ( talk) 11:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
File:Chicago Protests - UNBADGED COP - WHERE'S YOUR BADGE - 5 30 2020.webm This video could be used to show the use of the baton in a crowd-control situation. Victor Grigas ( talk) 15:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)