![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 30 June 2012. The result of the discussion was keep. |
![]() | A fact from Bath salts (drug) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 25 July 2012 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
| ![]() |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | It is requested that a photograph be
included in this article to
improve its quality.
The external tool WordPress Openverse may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
![]() | Text and/or other creative content from this version of Bath salts (drug) was copied or moved into Incidents involving the drug bath salts with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
It should be considered to slim article down and merge it with the article about designer drugs. Many of it's content is arbitrary with weak sourcing. Most of it's content are actually about specific designer drugs and not about the phenomenon of them being sold as bath salts. A lot of times throughout the article the term bath salts is used when it would be more appropriate and accurate do describe them as designer drugs. The term is very unspecific and misleading as most of these designer drugs (or bath salts if you will) were never sold as bath salts, but as a variety of other things including vertilizer, research chemicals, make up, cleaning products, etc.
Also noteworthy is that the term bath salts is almost solely used in the US even though designer drugs like methylone and MDPV are sold all over the world. This is mainly thanks to claims made by the Miami police after the Miami Cannibal attack in may 2012 of Rudy Eugene being under the influence of designer drugs and the eagerness of the media to spread the false information along with the misleading term of bath salts to describe them. This term is rarely used by people who use, sell or buy designer drugs. SinglefinBlu ( talk) 01:30, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Deleted reference to "cannibalism" as a health effect. First of all, this is a behavioral effect, not a health effect. More fundamentally, however, it's now been shown that the Miami cannibal didn't have bath salts in his system. If bath salts have been tied to cannibalism in any other case -- and if you can provide a citation for that -- by all means feel free to put it back in. VaneWimsey ( talk) 04:53, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
News Channel 5 wrote an updated article stating that Rudy Eugene, who attacked and ripped off a homeless man's face, was not on bath salt. He was actually on marijuana.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/world/bath-salts-not-responsible-for-miami-zombie-attack-on-ronald-poppo-by-rudy-eugene-examiner-says — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Christiee813 (
talk •
contribs)
01:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
"Ivory Wave" was Desoxypipradrol 66.96.79.223 ( talk) 00:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to suggest to the editors of this page and those that support its retention that there are editorial policies and standards that come into play here. Yesterday the drug was known as Ivory Wave and today it's known as Bath Salts, and tomorrow it may be known as Stinky Tubesocks. Best thing to avoid the trends of the day is to write up information on the topic under a permanent name, such as the scientific name for one of the principle chemicals in the drug. It's not like there are separate articles for "sticky icky", "da bomb", and "kind bud".
Also, the creator-author of this article makes some bold, unsupported assertions in defending the article, such as his opposition to the merger discussed above. I think your intention is right, but I don't think you necessarily seeing it from an encyclopedic perspective or are exhibiting objectivity over the fate of an article you created. erie lhonan 00:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because... (your reason here) -- 24.36.139.78 ( talk) 01:08, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be deleted as this is a new drug. More information should be made available so that people are able to protect themselves and their children from this substance.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bath_salts_(drug)
Hello group, would you please comment on the opening paragraph noted below and let's work together to make it better. My suggestion, would be that we note that "Bath Salts" is the parent name for the designer drug and then note a sample of the brand names it is sold under, so readers have a better understanding of the subject. Here is my suggestion for the opening paragraph:
Bath salts is the name of the parent structure for designer drugs containing synthetic cathinones, which have effects similar to amphetamine and cocaine. [1] [2] [3] The white crystals resemble legal bathing products like epsom salts. [1] Bath salts are sold under a variety of brand names, such as, but not limited to: Aura, Black Rob, Blizzard, Bloom, Blue Silk, Cloud Nine, Drone, Hurricane Charlie, Ivory Wave, Lovey Dovey, Lunar Wave, Maddie, MCAT, Meow Meow, Monkey Dust, MTV, Ocean Snow, Peeve, Purple Wave, PV, Red Dove, Scarface, Snow Leopard, Stardust, Super Coke, Vanilla Sky, White Lightning, Zoom. [1] [4]
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
JunoBeach ( talk) 12:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated the article to be in the 'did you know' section of the main page. You can find the nomination here. SmartSE ( talk) 13:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
For Your Information:
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Incidents_involving_the_drug_bath_salts#Incidents_involving_the_drug_bath_salts JunoBeach ( talk) 22:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
It's been suggested at the deletion discussion currently occurring for the Incidents involving the drug bath salts article that it be merged into this article. Northamerica1000 (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
JunoBeach replaced the incidents section and I have removed it pending further discussion here. I think that in order to have the correct WP:WEIGHT we need sources over a range of time. Without these sources, it is hard for us to filter news into encyclopedic content. SmartSE ( talk) 11:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
I mentioned the Miami cannibal incident because it plays a large role in how "bath salts" are perceived and understood by the public. c.tccj ( talk) 05:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Footnote 33 was flagged as a potential questionable source. The original press release appears on the web site of the NYS Department of Health: http://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2011/2011-05-23_bath_salts.htm Danchall ( talk) 18:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I removed serotonin from the list of monoamines that bath salts supposedly increase the activity of. Even though the article referenced cites "catecholamines such as dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine", it is wrong, because serotonin is not a catecholamine. Catecholamines are molecules that have a catechol group on them, which serotonin does not. Anyone can consult standard sources for this fact if interested. Further, there is no other evidence in the article that MDPV directly contributes to any serotonergic activity. Eflatmajor7th ( talk) 04:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't really believe "bath salts" are a thing that exists, it certainly smells of the "Jenkem". Just a scare-story from authorities to scare parents and youth. There might be "Synthetic cathinones" on the market but I don't believe that most reports of bath salts are actually related to this class of compounds. They are probably incidents unrelated to bath salts but that have been explained away with the drug-du-jour. 15 years ago that cannibal guy would have surely been on PCP in the story.
69.172.94.73 ( talk) 05:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
My daughter, suffering many psychological issues, had her urine tested to determine changes caused by her medications and to determine any other substances she was using.
The report sent by the testing facility came back positive for "Cathinone (Bath Salts)" (direct quote) and listed the compounds tested for. Her mother sent a photo of the report to me, and I'm doing my here best to list the tested compounds although they are hard to read from the photo.
I'm not sure how I can prove this as I will not post the report. I will, however, say the name of the testing lab is "Axis". The clinic only revealed the lab name in their report, no other details about the lab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.243.215.202 ( talk) 20:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Although the ingredients generally appear to be cathinones, this umbrella/blanket term still relates to multiple substances, so to have statements such as, "very little is known about how bath salts interact with the brain and how they are metabolised by the body," are pretty much meaningless. Likewise, since the term is restricted to the United States, it make no sense to claim that, "In Europe the main synthetic cathinone is mephedrone, whereas in the US MDPV is more common." The UK equivalent appears to be "plant food" phenomenon from a few years back, which now is pretty much sublimated into the overall umbrella of "legal highs," although that still a specific subset of what that term currently redirects to, i.e. " Legal intoxicant." Nick Cooper ( talk) 17:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Aren't there any photos of this drug at Commons? 204.11.189.94 ( talk) 16:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on 30 June 2012. The result of the discussion was keep. |
![]() | A fact from Bath salts (drug) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 25 July 2012 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
| ![]() |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | It is requested that a photograph be
included in this article to
improve its quality.
The external tool WordPress Openverse may be able to locate suitable images on Flickr and other web sites. |
![]() | Text and/or other creative content from this version of Bath salts (drug) was copied or moved into Incidents involving the drug bath salts with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
It should be considered to slim article down and merge it with the article about designer drugs. Many of it's content is arbitrary with weak sourcing. Most of it's content are actually about specific designer drugs and not about the phenomenon of them being sold as bath salts. A lot of times throughout the article the term bath salts is used when it would be more appropriate and accurate do describe them as designer drugs. The term is very unspecific and misleading as most of these designer drugs (or bath salts if you will) were never sold as bath salts, but as a variety of other things including vertilizer, research chemicals, make up, cleaning products, etc.
Also noteworthy is that the term bath salts is almost solely used in the US even though designer drugs like methylone and MDPV are sold all over the world. This is mainly thanks to claims made by the Miami police after the Miami Cannibal attack in may 2012 of Rudy Eugene being under the influence of designer drugs and the eagerness of the media to spread the false information along with the misleading term of bath salts to describe them. This term is rarely used by people who use, sell or buy designer drugs. SinglefinBlu ( talk) 01:30, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Deleted reference to "cannibalism" as a health effect. First of all, this is a behavioral effect, not a health effect. More fundamentally, however, it's now been shown that the Miami cannibal didn't have bath salts in his system. If bath salts have been tied to cannibalism in any other case -- and if you can provide a citation for that -- by all means feel free to put it back in. VaneWimsey ( talk) 04:53, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
News Channel 5 wrote an updated article stating that Rudy Eugene, who attacked and ripped off a homeless man's face, was not on bath salt. He was actually on marijuana.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/world/bath-salts-not-responsible-for-miami-zombie-attack-on-ronald-poppo-by-rudy-eugene-examiner-says — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Christiee813 (
talk •
contribs)
01:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
"Ivory Wave" was Desoxypipradrol 66.96.79.223 ( talk) 00:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to suggest to the editors of this page and those that support its retention that there are editorial policies and standards that come into play here. Yesterday the drug was known as Ivory Wave and today it's known as Bath Salts, and tomorrow it may be known as Stinky Tubesocks. Best thing to avoid the trends of the day is to write up information on the topic under a permanent name, such as the scientific name for one of the principle chemicals in the drug. It's not like there are separate articles for "sticky icky", "da bomb", and "kind bud".
Also, the creator-author of this article makes some bold, unsupported assertions in defending the article, such as his opposition to the merger discussed above. I think your intention is right, but I don't think you necessarily seeing it from an encyclopedic perspective or are exhibiting objectivity over the fate of an article you created. erie lhonan 00:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because... (your reason here) -- 24.36.139.78 ( talk) 01:08, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be deleted as this is a new drug. More information should be made available so that people are able to protect themselves and their children from this substance.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bath_salts_(drug)
Hello group, would you please comment on the opening paragraph noted below and let's work together to make it better. My suggestion, would be that we note that "Bath Salts" is the parent name for the designer drug and then note a sample of the brand names it is sold under, so readers have a better understanding of the subject. Here is my suggestion for the opening paragraph:
Bath salts is the name of the parent structure for designer drugs containing synthetic cathinones, which have effects similar to amphetamine and cocaine. [1] [2] [3] The white crystals resemble legal bathing products like epsom salts. [1] Bath salts are sold under a variety of brand names, such as, but not limited to: Aura, Black Rob, Blizzard, Bloom, Blue Silk, Cloud Nine, Drone, Hurricane Charlie, Ivory Wave, Lovey Dovey, Lunar Wave, Maddie, MCAT, Meow Meow, Monkey Dust, MTV, Ocean Snow, Peeve, Purple Wave, PV, Red Dove, Scarface, Snow Leopard, Stardust, Super Coke, Vanilla Sky, White Lightning, Zoom. [1] [4]
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
JunoBeach ( talk) 12:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I've nominated the article to be in the 'did you know' section of the main page. You can find the nomination here. SmartSE ( talk) 13:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
For Your Information:
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Incidents_involving_the_drug_bath_salts#Incidents_involving_the_drug_bath_salts JunoBeach ( talk) 22:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
It's been suggested at the deletion discussion currently occurring for the Incidents involving the drug bath salts article that it be merged into this article. Northamerica1000 (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
JunoBeach replaced the incidents section and I have removed it pending further discussion here. I think that in order to have the correct WP:WEIGHT we need sources over a range of time. Without these sources, it is hard for us to filter news into encyclopedic content. SmartSE ( talk) 11:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
I mentioned the Miami cannibal incident because it plays a large role in how "bath salts" are perceived and understood by the public. c.tccj ( talk) 05:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Footnote 33 was flagged as a potential questionable source. The original press release appears on the web site of the NYS Department of Health: http://www.health.ny.gov/press/releases/2011/2011-05-23_bath_salts.htm Danchall ( talk) 18:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I removed serotonin from the list of monoamines that bath salts supposedly increase the activity of. Even though the article referenced cites "catecholamines such as dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine", it is wrong, because serotonin is not a catecholamine. Catecholamines are molecules that have a catechol group on them, which serotonin does not. Anyone can consult standard sources for this fact if interested. Further, there is no other evidence in the article that MDPV directly contributes to any serotonergic activity. Eflatmajor7th ( talk) 04:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't really believe "bath salts" are a thing that exists, it certainly smells of the "Jenkem". Just a scare-story from authorities to scare parents and youth. There might be "Synthetic cathinones" on the market but I don't believe that most reports of bath salts are actually related to this class of compounds. They are probably incidents unrelated to bath salts but that have been explained away with the drug-du-jour. 15 years ago that cannibal guy would have surely been on PCP in the story.
69.172.94.73 ( talk) 05:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
My daughter, suffering many psychological issues, had her urine tested to determine changes caused by her medications and to determine any other substances she was using.
The report sent by the testing facility came back positive for "Cathinone (Bath Salts)" (direct quote) and listed the compounds tested for. Her mother sent a photo of the report to me, and I'm doing my here best to list the tested compounds although they are hard to read from the photo.
I'm not sure how I can prove this as I will not post the report. I will, however, say the name of the testing lab is "Axis". The clinic only revealed the lab name in their report, no other details about the lab. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.243.215.202 ( talk) 20:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Although the ingredients generally appear to be cathinones, this umbrella/blanket term still relates to multiple substances, so to have statements such as, "very little is known about how bath salts interact with the brain and how they are metabolised by the body," are pretty much meaningless. Likewise, since the term is restricted to the United States, it make no sense to claim that, "In Europe the main synthetic cathinone is mephedrone, whereas in the US MDPV is more common." The UK equivalent appears to be "plant food" phenomenon from a few years back, which now is pretty much sublimated into the overall umbrella of "legal highs," although that still a specific subset of what that term currently redirects to, i.e. " Legal intoxicant." Nick Cooper ( talk) 17:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Aren't there any photos of this drug at Commons? 204.11.189.94 ( talk) 16:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)