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Not much to do. I have some copy changes, questions about some wording and two references, and concern about one of the images' copyright status. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Take a fresh look given how long this GAN has sat, too.
There are two references to the generally unreliable International Business Times (43 and 50). Can these be replaced with other references from more reliable sources?
Earwig is mostly catching the handful of quotes we have in the article, so no issue there.
Random spot checks:
This area is composed of sandy soils, drought- resistant subspecies of many plants, and topography from flat to roll ing hills. The lost pines area, as it is called, is the westernmost distribution of loblolly pine (Pinus taeda), separated from most of its counterparts by 100 miles of agricultural land. All three ignitions occurred in the same vegetation type, Loblolly pine overstory and understory dominated by yopuan (Ilex vomitoria).
During the Bastrop Complex Fire, the live fuel moistures were trending down to below historic lows in all vegetation types within the county.
On the morning of September 3, 2011, Tropical Storm Lee was just south of the central Louisiana coast and the counter-clockwise circulation was just beginning to result in northeast surface wind across most areas east of I-35 in Texas.
Tropical Storm Lee moved inland by late afternoon on September 4, but all precipitation remained east of I-45. High temperatures climbed, again, into the triple digits, and sustained winds of 12 to 14 miles per hour (mph) with gusts of 25 to 31 mph occurred near the time the fire started in Bastrop (Greg Murdoch, National Weather Service-Midland).
It was actually the result of three different ignitions in Bastrop County, TX, approximately 35 miles east of Austin, TX.
burned together over the course of 48 hours
The main fire front traveled at a rate of 5 mph through pine, cedar yaupon mix mid-story, during the first several hours of the event.
By the end of the event, more than 32,000 acres were burned, an estimated 1.8 million trees were burned, and 1,696 structures were destroyed. The burned areas included a number of WUI subdivisions, unmanaged private lands, and 96 percent of Bastrop State Park.Is there a source for the exact 32,400 number that needs citing?
There was heterogeneous burning across the fire with some areas being lightly scorched and other areas completely consumed to the point that all nutrients were leached from the soil.
Wind gusts reaching more than 30 mph on Sept. 4 apparently severed trees at two locations that tumbled into the electrical lines, causing sparks that fell into the dry grass and tree litter below. At 258 Charolais Drive, in the Circle D subdivision northeast of Bastrop, gusts snapped a dead pine tree about 8 feet above the ground, according to the report.
State Highway 71 was re-opened today at 8 a.m.
As of Monday evening, 13 area subdivisions had been evacuated and the power cut to 3,800 homes, according to Bastrop County officials.
Two civilians were found dead as search crews went through the charred subdivisions.
The Bastrop County Complex Fire in September 2011, coupled with heavy rainfall in January 2012, led to severe erosion throughout the park. With essentially no ground cover following the fire, there was nothing to hold the sandy soils in place.
ca. 39% of the ecoregion
The destruction cut off five years of property tax revenue for the county, school districts and emergency services.This doesn't quite seem to match our wording, that that was the cost of fighting it, but it almost makes sense. Can you justify this one a little bit?
All the images are PD-USGov or libre licensed with an exception I'm unsure how to handle. I don't know who owns the copyright, if any, to the Drought Monitor images. They may be copyrighted. NDMC itself isn't a US government institution even though the government is involved.
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Sammi Brie: Thanks for the review and for the helpful link to CinS. I've edited the article to implement many of the suggested copy-editing changes. Regarding the 2 businesses,
MOS:NUMNOTES specifies that Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures... Are the numbers of homes and businesses destroyed by the fire comparable figures? Reviewing sources on the size of the fire, it seems that there are a wide range of values precise and imprecise provided from both journal articles, retrospective pieces, and news, but no clear authoritative source. Describing the scale as at least 32,000 acres seems to be most faithful description, so I've adjusted the article accordingly. For the tidbit on property tax revenue, I think I misread the sources; it appears moreso that the lost revenue resulted from the loss of taxable property, not the cost of repairs or fighting the fire. I've reworded the phrasing accordingly. I'm not sure of the copyright status of Drought Monitor images. The Drought Monitor's entry on the USDA data page suggests it may be in the
public domain, and a
USGS page vaguely suggests this may be the case. The
Drought Monitor's permission page provides an attribution instruction for reproduction, but I'm not sure if that alone clearly describes its copyright status. —
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Not much to do. I have some copy changes, questions about some wording and two references, and concern about one of the images' copyright status. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Take a fresh look given how long this GAN has sat, too.
There are two references to the generally unreliable International Business Times (43 and 50). Can these be replaced with other references from more reliable sources?
Earwig is mostly catching the handful of quotes we have in the article, so no issue there.
Random spot checks:
This area is composed of sandy soils, drought- resistant subspecies of many plants, and topography from flat to roll ing hills. The lost pines area, as it is called, is the westernmost distribution of loblolly pine (Pinus taeda), separated from most of its counterparts by 100 miles of agricultural land. All three ignitions occurred in the same vegetation type, Loblolly pine overstory and understory dominated by yopuan (Ilex vomitoria).
During the Bastrop Complex Fire, the live fuel moistures were trending down to below historic lows in all vegetation types within the county.
On the morning of September 3, 2011, Tropical Storm Lee was just south of the central Louisiana coast and the counter-clockwise circulation was just beginning to result in northeast surface wind across most areas east of I-35 in Texas.
Tropical Storm Lee moved inland by late afternoon on September 4, but all precipitation remained east of I-45. High temperatures climbed, again, into the triple digits, and sustained winds of 12 to 14 miles per hour (mph) with gusts of 25 to 31 mph occurred near the time the fire started in Bastrop (Greg Murdoch, National Weather Service-Midland).
It was actually the result of three different ignitions in Bastrop County, TX, approximately 35 miles east of Austin, TX.
burned together over the course of 48 hours
The main fire front traveled at a rate of 5 mph through pine, cedar yaupon mix mid-story, during the first several hours of the event.
By the end of the event, more than 32,000 acres were burned, an estimated 1.8 million trees were burned, and 1,696 structures were destroyed. The burned areas included a number of WUI subdivisions, unmanaged private lands, and 96 percent of Bastrop State Park.Is there a source for the exact 32,400 number that needs citing?
There was heterogeneous burning across the fire with some areas being lightly scorched and other areas completely consumed to the point that all nutrients were leached from the soil.
Wind gusts reaching more than 30 mph on Sept. 4 apparently severed trees at two locations that tumbled into the electrical lines, causing sparks that fell into the dry grass and tree litter below. At 258 Charolais Drive, in the Circle D subdivision northeast of Bastrop, gusts snapped a dead pine tree about 8 feet above the ground, according to the report.
State Highway 71 was re-opened today at 8 a.m.
As of Monday evening, 13 area subdivisions had been evacuated and the power cut to 3,800 homes, according to Bastrop County officials.
Two civilians were found dead as search crews went through the charred subdivisions.
The Bastrop County Complex Fire in September 2011, coupled with heavy rainfall in January 2012, led to severe erosion throughout the park. With essentially no ground cover following the fire, there was nothing to hold the sandy soils in place.
ca. 39% of the ecoregion
The destruction cut off five years of property tax revenue for the county, school districts and emergency services.This doesn't quite seem to match our wording, that that was the cost of fighting it, but it almost makes sense. Can you justify this one a little bit?
All the images are PD-USGov or libre licensed with an exception I'm unsure how to handle. I don't know who owns the copyright, if any, to the Drought Monitor images. They may be copyrighted. NDMC itself isn't a US government institution even though the government is involved.
@
Sammi Brie: Thanks for the review and for the helpful link to CinS. I've edited the article to implement many of the suggested copy-editing changes. Regarding the 2 businesses,
MOS:NUMNOTES specifies that Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures... Are the numbers of homes and businesses destroyed by the fire comparable figures? Reviewing sources on the size of the fire, it seems that there are a wide range of values precise and imprecise provided from both journal articles, retrospective pieces, and news, but no clear authoritative source. Describing the scale as at least 32,000 acres seems to be most faithful description, so I've adjusted the article accordingly. For the tidbit on property tax revenue, I think I misread the sources; it appears moreso that the lost revenue resulted from the loss of taxable property, not the cost of repairs or fighting the fire. I've reworded the phrasing accordingly. I'm not sure of the copyright status of Drought Monitor images. The Drought Monitor's entry on the USDA data page suggests it may be in the
public domain, and a
USGS page vaguely suggests this may be the case. The
Drought Monitor's permission page provides an attribution instruction for reproduction, but I'm not sure if that alone clearly describes its copyright status. —
TheAustinMan(
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18:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)