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Is haizkolaritza what is shown several times in Julio Medem's film Vacas? -- Jmabel | Talk 06:37, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)
Someone else put the word in the article, not me. As for "surely you know", nope. My Basque vocabulary is almost non-existent. And yes, that scene from Vacas is very memorable, and he reused it nicely in La Pelota Vasca. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
Haizkolaritza is Aizkolaritza. In proper grammar with "H", traditionally without "H". Haitz=stone Haizkora=Stone made axe. Ikertxo
Well, here you have two cut parts of what I was taught by my father, in this case taken by the encyclopedia:
Idiazabal 01:17, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
What do these people look like? There should be a picture.
More seriously, [1], which we link to, has a lot of images, but they are copyrighted. Yes, some (legally obtained) pictures of Basque people in various walks of life would probably be a good addition to this page. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:24, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
The Hungarian version of Wikipedia claims that "the Basque consider Attila the Hun as their ancestor". I personally find this claim very hard to believe.
Is there a special place for Attila the Hun in Basque culture? Was there ever? Are there any good sources to verify this?
Thanks, Nyenyec 15:14, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've been reading this part of the article and there are some things I want to point out. First, it talks about Mari and then about Anbotoko Mari. Well, both are the same: Anbotoko Mari means "Mari of Anboto", which is mentioned before when it says that Mari resides in mount Anboto. Maybe we should put both paragraphs together.
And second, the main divinities are missing: Eguzki (the Sun), Ilargi (the Moon) and Amalur (Mother Earth). These three have a very strong value at basque mithology, specially the Sun. For instance, Ilargi means "Light of the deads" and it's believed to be very ancient (from the Mesolithic) and that the deads were guided by its light in the night. The Sun is even more important (as in most of ancient Europe).
As it says, cromlechs have religious significance, and so do the dolmens (trikuharri in basque). The bodies were buried inside them with the head towards the East, facing the Sun.
How could we improve this? (unsigned, left by Keta, 5 Feb 2005
I'm wondering about the appropriateness of the inclusion of this in Category:Pre-Indo-Europeans. All of the other articles in that category are specifically about very ancient peoples, not ones that persist into the present time. Also, I don't believe that it is certain that the Basques were in Europe before the Indo-Europeans: it's likely enough, but at least one theory is that they came at the same time, no? -- Jmabel | Talk 17:50, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
Vascongado is not "Basque". From Latin vasconicatus (" Vasconified"), it is reserved for the inhabitants of the Provincias Vascongadas, leaving out Navarre and the French Basque Country. -- Error 23:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Are you sure that the Roman pun was on Aquitanians? I thought it was an Iberian thing. I even thought it was from some Martial epigram, but Google gives no authors. -- Error 23:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I never heard about vasco <- buscus, but <- basoko (Basque for "Of the woods"). -- Error 23:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Latin boscus/buscus gave the medieval Basque roots bost-, brost-, brosk-, and the medieval Basque words bosta, brosta, and broka. As for baso, I could not find the etymology in particular. However, it seems researchers discard the hypothesis of Vasco coming from basoko (check [2] and [3]). Hardouin 17:01, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Jentilak, previously explained as " Gentiles" is now explained as "Giants". The change was anonymous and without edit summary. I don't know more than about a hundred semi-random words of Basque, so I have no idea whether this was a correction or vandalism. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:24, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
Total population | |
---|---|
2.9 million (est.) | |
Related ethnic groups | |
No other ethnic group is known to be related to the Basques. |
No one? Not even one? - 69.212.70.138 21:41, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Regions with significant populations | |
---|---|
Spain –
Araba/Álava: 279,000 | |
Languages | |
Basque monoglots: Few, if any.
Spanish monoglots: 1,525,000 (est.) | |
Religion | |
Predominantly Roman Catholic | |
Related ethnic groups | |
No other ethnic group is known to be related to the Basques. |
I'm assuming the reason someone put this here with "compare" is to point out that the tables on Basque ethnicity and Basque language are identical. Offhand, I don't think that is a big problem -- this is a case where language is certainly the single best marker of ethnicity -- but certainly there are ethnic Basques abroad who do not speak Basque, and there are probably people who live in the Basque country who are native speakers (possibly bilingual native speakers) but don't consider themselves Basque. If someone has solid evidence to refine either set of numbers, great. But I don't think the present state of this is troubling. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:26, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I think that Christian-Democratic is not the right word for the early PNV. Christian Integrism? -- Error 23:58, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Strabo wrote in Greek: the reference to the Latin ‘vascones’ is confusing here and should be moved or removed. Mark O'Sullivan 09:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The term “Basqueland” is a neologism introduced here without explanation and best avoided. I suggest change to “Basque Country” (accepting that its boundaries have of course moved over time) or “Basque territory”. If there is no comment on this suggestion I shall make the change myself. Mark O'Sullivan 09:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The mediaeval section still needs more sorting out: there isn't quite a proper chronological sequence or consistency, and there is the wrong kind of emphasis given to Roncesvalles, which was a trivial skirmish in historical terms, though certainly meriting mention because of the Chanson de Roland. Moreover, "Only a small number of Roman traders would have come there" is clearly inconsistent with "At the same time, the Basques lost their lifestyle, which was dependent on trade with the Roman Empire". I shall give some time to this. Mark O'Sullivan 18:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
As I understand, most of the Basque people in Spanish autonomous region Basque Country speak Spanish language, while only 27% of the population of the region speak Basque language. But, what is the ethnic (not language) composition of Basque country? How many of the inhabitants of this region are ethnic Basque (both Spanish and Basque speakers), and how many are ethnic Spanish? Why it is so hard to find information about ethnic composition of the regions of Western Europe, such are Basque Country, Alsace, Wales, etc...? User:PANONIAN
Well, I do not know how these things are defined in Spain, but in the countries of Eastern Europe, it is defined by the way how people declare themselves in census. For example, in Russia, you have people who declare themselves as Russians, while you also have people who declare themselves as Tatars, Chechens, etc, but they are also citizens of Russia. Is the question about ethnicity asked in Spanish census or not? User:PANONIAN
But I think there are biological differences too, certainly in blood groups. Mark O'Sullivan 18:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 7 |
Is haizkolaritza what is shown several times in Julio Medem's film Vacas? -- Jmabel | Talk 06:37, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)
Someone else put the word in the article, not me. As for "surely you know", nope. My Basque vocabulary is almost non-existent. And yes, that scene from Vacas is very memorable, and he reused it nicely in La Pelota Vasca. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
Haizkolaritza is Aizkolaritza. In proper grammar with "H", traditionally without "H". Haitz=stone Haizkora=Stone made axe. Ikertxo
Well, here you have two cut parts of what I was taught by my father, in this case taken by the encyclopedia:
Idiazabal 01:17, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
What do these people look like? There should be a picture.
More seriously, [1], which we link to, has a lot of images, but they are copyrighted. Yes, some (legally obtained) pictures of Basque people in various walks of life would probably be a good addition to this page. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:24, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
The Hungarian version of Wikipedia claims that "the Basque consider Attila the Hun as their ancestor". I personally find this claim very hard to believe.
Is there a special place for Attila the Hun in Basque culture? Was there ever? Are there any good sources to verify this?
Thanks, Nyenyec 15:14, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've been reading this part of the article and there are some things I want to point out. First, it talks about Mari and then about Anbotoko Mari. Well, both are the same: Anbotoko Mari means "Mari of Anboto", which is mentioned before when it says that Mari resides in mount Anboto. Maybe we should put both paragraphs together.
And second, the main divinities are missing: Eguzki (the Sun), Ilargi (the Moon) and Amalur (Mother Earth). These three have a very strong value at basque mithology, specially the Sun. For instance, Ilargi means "Light of the deads" and it's believed to be very ancient (from the Mesolithic) and that the deads were guided by its light in the night. The Sun is even more important (as in most of ancient Europe).
As it says, cromlechs have religious significance, and so do the dolmens (trikuharri in basque). The bodies were buried inside them with the head towards the East, facing the Sun.
How could we improve this? (unsigned, left by Keta, 5 Feb 2005
I'm wondering about the appropriateness of the inclusion of this in Category:Pre-Indo-Europeans. All of the other articles in that category are specifically about very ancient peoples, not ones that persist into the present time. Also, I don't believe that it is certain that the Basques were in Europe before the Indo-Europeans: it's likely enough, but at least one theory is that they came at the same time, no? -- Jmabel | Talk 17:50, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
Vascongado is not "Basque". From Latin vasconicatus (" Vasconified"), it is reserved for the inhabitants of the Provincias Vascongadas, leaving out Navarre and the French Basque Country. -- Error 23:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Are you sure that the Roman pun was on Aquitanians? I thought it was an Iberian thing. I even thought it was from some Martial epigram, but Google gives no authors. -- Error 23:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I never heard about vasco <- buscus, but <- basoko (Basque for "Of the woods"). -- Error 23:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Latin boscus/buscus gave the medieval Basque roots bost-, brost-, brosk-, and the medieval Basque words bosta, brosta, and broka. As for baso, I could not find the etymology in particular. However, it seems researchers discard the hypothesis of Vasco coming from basoko (check [2] and [3]). Hardouin 17:01, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Jentilak, previously explained as " Gentiles" is now explained as "Giants". The change was anonymous and without edit summary. I don't know more than about a hundred semi-random words of Basque, so I have no idea whether this was a correction or vandalism. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:24, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
Total population | |
---|---|
2.9 million (est.) | |
Related ethnic groups | |
No other ethnic group is known to be related to the Basques. |
No one? Not even one? - 69.212.70.138 21:41, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Regions with significant populations | |
---|---|
Spain –
Araba/Álava: 279,000 | |
Languages | |
Basque monoglots: Few, if any.
Spanish monoglots: 1,525,000 (est.) | |
Religion | |
Predominantly Roman Catholic | |
Related ethnic groups | |
No other ethnic group is known to be related to the Basques. |
I'm assuming the reason someone put this here with "compare" is to point out that the tables on Basque ethnicity and Basque language are identical. Offhand, I don't think that is a big problem -- this is a case where language is certainly the single best marker of ethnicity -- but certainly there are ethnic Basques abroad who do not speak Basque, and there are probably people who live in the Basque country who are native speakers (possibly bilingual native speakers) but don't consider themselves Basque. If someone has solid evidence to refine either set of numbers, great. But I don't think the present state of this is troubling. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:26, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I think that Christian-Democratic is not the right word for the early PNV. Christian Integrism? -- Error 23:58, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Strabo wrote in Greek: the reference to the Latin ‘vascones’ is confusing here and should be moved or removed. Mark O'Sullivan 09:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The term “Basqueland” is a neologism introduced here without explanation and best avoided. I suggest change to “Basque Country” (accepting that its boundaries have of course moved over time) or “Basque territory”. If there is no comment on this suggestion I shall make the change myself. Mark O'Sullivan 09:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The mediaeval section still needs more sorting out: there isn't quite a proper chronological sequence or consistency, and there is the wrong kind of emphasis given to Roncesvalles, which was a trivial skirmish in historical terms, though certainly meriting mention because of the Chanson de Roland. Moreover, "Only a small number of Roman traders would have come there" is clearly inconsistent with "At the same time, the Basques lost their lifestyle, which was dependent on trade with the Roman Empire". I shall give some time to this. Mark O'Sullivan 18:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
As I understand, most of the Basque people in Spanish autonomous region Basque Country speak Spanish language, while only 27% of the population of the region speak Basque language. But, what is the ethnic (not language) composition of Basque country? How many of the inhabitants of this region are ethnic Basque (both Spanish and Basque speakers), and how many are ethnic Spanish? Why it is so hard to find information about ethnic composition of the regions of Western Europe, such are Basque Country, Alsace, Wales, etc...? User:PANONIAN
Well, I do not know how these things are defined in Spain, but in the countries of Eastern Europe, it is defined by the way how people declare themselves in census. For example, in Russia, you have people who declare themselves as Russians, while you also have people who declare themselves as Tatars, Chechens, etc, but they are also citizens of Russia. Is the question about ethnicity asked in Spanish census or not? User:PANONIAN
But I think there are biological differences too, certainly in blood groups. Mark O'Sullivan 18:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)