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I am interested in updating this page. However, is it covered by the rules on Israel/Palestine? Do I need special permission to be able to update this page. I don't want to work on it and then have everything reverted because I wasn't allowed to in the first place. Sam* ( talk) 16:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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The Law was adopted by Knesset 62 in favor, 55 against and two abstentions on July 19, 2018.
Does anyone know when this new Israeli Basic Law will applied? When will be the first day that this new law will be valid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A541:17C6:0:A017:3AF2:1BB1:3E4D ( talk) 11:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a couple of problems with this statement in wikipedia's voice in the lead. Firstly, it is sourced to one article by the NYT, which is by no means enough to make it a blanket statement that it is 'symbolic and declarative' - certainly given that the overwhelming amount of other sources out there see it far from being a 'symbolic' issue. Secondly the reference used does not actually say that at all - it looks like the article (or an article at the same page) did at some point include that wording, if you google - where other news sites (eg here and here) re-use/re-print the NYT piece they have included the 'symbolic' wording but it doesnt appear on the NYT currently. There is also the issue that it may be in the print version and not the online version (see bottom of ref 3 article where it says a version of this appeared in print yadda yadda). This is problematic as if the online article has been amended, it cant be a RS for the statement made, as we cannot speculate on why that was removed. Only in death does duty end ( talk) 13:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
“We are enshrining this important bill into a law today to prevent even the slightest thought, let alone attempt, to transform Israel to a country of all its citizen.(=citizens),
this by Icewhiz tops the cake. There is not the slightest policy basis for the removal. Nishidani ( talk) 14:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
The heading is 'public debate' and there is no debate there. There is simply an unreadable list of predictable Likud et al (Zioniost think tank party liners) comments supporting the bill. Remarkably there is zero reactions from the real world. Arab legislators, public intellectuals, or world opinion leaders. Nishidani ( talk) 14:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Nishidani - I added press release that show Dichter's first quotation is actually him quoting others so I removed it. It also translates him on the second quote with the correct plural citizens so that was added bonus. Rennell435 ( talk) 10:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
The section entitled Public debate focuses largely on the events that lead up to the passing of the law, including the proposal and debate that preceded the parliamentary vote. Reaction, both national and international, to this contentious law is sorely lacking. Consequently, a new section dealing with this has been started. Veritycheck✔️ ( talk) 17:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
The sentence "It has been met with worldwide condemnation, including criticism from within the Jewish diaspora.[10][11][12][13][14][15]" should be changed to "It has been met with worldwide criticism, including from within the Jewish diaspora", as only one out of the six sources actually use the word "condemnation". I also think it should be moved from the bottom of the lede to the top of the Reactions section. Mithrandir the Grey ( talk) 10:14, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Done. It have been changed. 202.161.64.247 ( talk) 12:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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this revert - the text in the caption was "Israeli Arabs and their supporters rally..."
- matching Reuters and presaging the revert comment of "You're welcome to add 'mostly', or include 'and their supporters' per your Reuter's source - otherwise it's WP:OR"
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Editor Tritomex reverted a perfectly respectable rs claiming it was undue and that it needed consensus, which it isn't and it doesn't. And then added to the remaining reference a tag stating that a better reference was needed!! Clear cut case of "I don't like it." Selfstudier ( talk) 10:40, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Knesset member Avi Dichter, the law's sponsor, stated: "We are enshrining this important bill into a law today to prevent even the slightest thought, let alone attempt, to transform Israel to a country of all its citizens." [1] [2] Responding to Arab legislators who objected to the proposed basic law, he said that, "The most you can do is to live among us as a national minority that enjoys equal individual rights, but not equality as a national minority." [3]
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Knesset member Avi Dichter, the law's sponsor, stated: "No minority will be able to change the state’s symbols. This Basic Law does not harm the Arabic language or any minority – that’s fake news. Israel is not a bilingual country; it never was. Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people and guarantees the majority without hurting the minority.” [4] Responding to Arab legislators who objected to the proposed basic law, he said that, "The most you can do is to live among us as a national minority that enjoys equal individual rights, but not equality as a national minority." [3]
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Photojack50 ( talk| contribs) 22:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
The section "Legislation history" quotes more than five hundred words nearly verbatim from the Knesset press release on the bill's passage. Aside from being a possible NPOV/UNDUE issue, I question the utility of quoting so extensively and uncritically from partisan sources. I'd like to suggest getting rid of it entirely, or otherwise spinning it off into a separate section for reactions from lawmakers, if people here think these statements are valuable inclusions. Jbrzow ( talk) 02:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
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I am interested in updating this page. However, is it covered by the rules on Israel/Palestine? Do I need special permission to be able to update this page. I don't want to work on it and then have everything reverted because I wasn't allowed to in the first place. Sam* ( talk) 16:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Sokuya ( talk) 08:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
The Law was adopted by Knesset 62 in favor, 55 against and two abstentions on July 19, 2018.
Does anyone know when this new Israeli Basic Law will applied? When will be the first day that this new law will be valid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A541:17C6:0:A017:3AF2:1BB1:3E4D ( talk) 11:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a couple of problems with this statement in wikipedia's voice in the lead. Firstly, it is sourced to one article by the NYT, which is by no means enough to make it a blanket statement that it is 'symbolic and declarative' - certainly given that the overwhelming amount of other sources out there see it far from being a 'symbolic' issue. Secondly the reference used does not actually say that at all - it looks like the article (or an article at the same page) did at some point include that wording, if you google - where other news sites (eg here and here) re-use/re-print the NYT piece they have included the 'symbolic' wording but it doesnt appear on the NYT currently. There is also the issue that it may be in the print version and not the online version (see bottom of ref 3 article where it says a version of this appeared in print yadda yadda). This is problematic as if the online article has been amended, it cant be a RS for the statement made, as we cannot speculate on why that was removed. Only in death does duty end ( talk) 13:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
“We are enshrining this important bill into a law today to prevent even the slightest thought, let alone attempt, to transform Israel to a country of all its citizen.(=citizens),
this by Icewhiz tops the cake. There is not the slightest policy basis for the removal. Nishidani ( talk) 14:53, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
The heading is 'public debate' and there is no debate there. There is simply an unreadable list of predictable Likud et al (Zioniost think tank party liners) comments supporting the bill. Remarkably there is zero reactions from the real world. Arab legislators, public intellectuals, or world opinion leaders. Nishidani ( talk) 14:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Nishidani - I added press release that show Dichter's first quotation is actually him quoting others so I removed it. It also translates him on the second quote with the correct plural citizens so that was added bonus. Rennell435 ( talk) 10:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
The section entitled Public debate focuses largely on the events that lead up to the passing of the law, including the proposal and debate that preceded the parliamentary vote. Reaction, both national and international, to this contentious law is sorely lacking. Consequently, a new section dealing with this has been started. Veritycheck✔️ ( talk) 17:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
The sentence "It has been met with worldwide condemnation, including criticism from within the Jewish diaspora.[10][11][12][13][14][15]" should be changed to "It has been met with worldwide criticism, including from within the Jewish diaspora", as only one out of the six sources actually use the word "condemnation". I also think it should be moved from the bottom of the lede to the top of the Reactions section. Mithrandir the Grey ( talk) 10:14, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Done. It have been changed. 202.161.64.247 ( talk) 12:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
RE
this revert - the text in the caption was "Israeli Arabs and their supporters rally..."
- matching Reuters and presaging the revert comment of "You're welcome to add 'mostly', or include 'and their supporters' per your Reuter's source - otherwise it's WP:OR"
.
Icewhiz (
talk) 07:11, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Editor Tritomex reverted a perfectly respectable rs claiming it was undue and that it needed consensus, which it isn't and it doesn't. And then added to the remaining reference a tag stating that a better reference was needed!! Clear cut case of "I don't like it." Selfstudier ( talk) 10:40, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Therefore please change:
Knesset member Avi Dichter, the law's sponsor, stated: "We are enshrining this important bill into a law today to prevent even the slightest thought, let alone attempt, to transform Israel to a country of all its citizens." [1] [2] Responding to Arab legislators who objected to the proposed basic law, he said that, "The most you can do is to live among us as a national minority that enjoys equal individual rights, but not equality as a national minority." [3]
to:
Knesset member Avi Dichter, the law's sponsor, stated: "No minority will be able to change the state’s symbols. This Basic Law does not harm the Arabic language or any minority – that’s fake news. Israel is not a bilingual country; it never was. Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people and guarantees the majority without hurting the minority.” [4] Responding to Arab legislators who objected to the proposed basic law, he said that, "The most you can do is to live among us as a national minority that enjoys equal individual rights, but not equality as a national minority." [3]
Photojack50 ( talk| contribs) 15:52, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
References
Please change:
to:
Photojack50 ( talk| contribs) 22:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
The section "Legislation history" quotes more than five hundred words nearly verbatim from the Knesset press release on the bill's passage. Aside from being a possible NPOV/UNDUE issue, I question the utility of quoting so extensively and uncritically from partisan sources. I'd like to suggest getting rid of it entirely, or otherwise spinning it off into a separate section for reactions from lawmakers, if people here think these statements are valuable inclusions. Jbrzow ( talk) 02:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)