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This article states that Marshall's self-induced gastritis was resolved with the aid of antibiotics, but the Helicobacter pylori article states that it resolved without treatment. Anyone know which is right?
New writer; I used to do 10-30 upper GI fluoroscopies a day in radiology- until this H pylori was discovered as the culprit and its treatment permitted by the US medical establishment as the cause of stomach and pyloric ulcers. Now that test is rare in the US.
Back in the 1990's a nurse I worked with in an American orthopedic office informed me that she would be seeing a doctor for treatment of an ulcer (that I would have to cover her area that afternoon). I told her of a new insight into the cause of ulcers- H pylori.
A usually docile orthopod heard me and shouted out in rage that the treatment was unproven, and told me to keep the idea to myself. I was unaware that the doctor's wife was an internist who was beginning to lose thousands of dollars a year in Tagamet prescriptions and its required periodic liver testing. It burned me on how the dollar corrupts virtue. I remembered this lesson when it was discovered a form of gadolinium used in MRI's was causing NSF and radiologists poo-pooed it- until proven- now patients everywhere are screened for kidney function before any form of radiologic contrast is injected.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.170.78.58 ( talk) 15:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Read all about it here. [2] Barjammar 16:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Barry Marshall (yes - its really me!)
Recently, Marhsall has been criticised for appearing in an infomercial touting the book "World's Greatest Treasury of Health Secrets" sold by Bottom Line Press, which is not a medical publisher.
Seems the only citation of this is a blog, which I don't think is good citation. I'm going to remove it -- Glockmeister 14:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok I'll see what Google turns up Glockmeister 01:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
It certainly seems to be Barry Marshall. Go to https://tvz.healthsecrets.com/ and skip to 2:06 of the video clip on the main page. The person in the video has an Australian accent and looks like the person in the pictures on Barry Marshall's personal website. http://www.vianet.net.au/~bjmrshll/ 70.69.54.1 11:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried contacting Barry Marshall and his Laboratory through their web sites to verify this. No luck. Barry Marshall doesn't publish his e-mail address and the only e-mail address on his "helico.com Foundation" (always suspicious am I of ".com foundations") bounces as "no such mail address". Maybe try their WHOIS record which they're required by regulation to keep up to date? [[User:Anon] Fri Jan 19 10:38:17 (UTC)
Any luck with WHOIS? I asked around. We may have an answer in a few days Toru-chan 00:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the infomercial comments on this article are driven by mjk2357 original research and not any actual biographical sources. The history shows that mjk2357 added to the article the statement "Recently, Marshall has been criticised for appearing in an infomercial touting the book..." which was sourced only from mjk2357's blog site. BLPs require neutral point of view (NPOV) and no original research. I personally posted a comment on mjk2357's blog site about the wikipedia rules for biographies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons in October which mjk2357 promptly deleted (see above). More than three removals/edits by various editors have all been reverted by mjk2357. TLB 10:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; I checked with the manager of my office and apparently there was no payment. Someone may put evidence on my blog page. Barjammar 21:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Barry Marshall.
I refer you once again to Dr. Marshall's own blog where he says he was paid for his appearance. However this was donated to charity. If you research this book you will find it is pure quackery. It's a serious issue that a Nobel Prize winner was seen endorsing it! Dr. Marshall himself has admitted that it was a mistake for him to appear in the book. Anyone who looks up Dr. Marshall's page after seeing this informercial deserves to see this information and know that Dr. Marshall no longer endorses this book. As for the claims not being validated by the FDA, this is stated on Bottom Line's website, which is sourced. You are justified in editing this section but not in removing it entirely. I find it suspicious also that someone whose only contributions to Wikipedia are on this page (plus one other minor edit) is such a hawk about the rules. Perhaps this is a separate account you have for doing controversial things such as this? Mjk2357 12:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
One more thing: I checked the policy for living biographies and by repeatedly blanking a sourced section it's you that's in violation of the policy, not me. Mjk2357 12:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I appreciate that my Wikipedia page is getting back to normal with the "book" episode being represented by a link. I don't have time to study the rules but whoever did that for me, many thanks. I hope it sticks. Barjammar 13:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Barry Marshall
I think we do need to make some reference to it, but also don't think we need blow it out of proportion. Barjammar was basically suckered into giving an endorsement for a book that he believed, based on the article he checked for them, was bone fide. Could happen to any of us, and he's come clean. That aught to be good enough. We've *all* made the odd mistake in our past. Acknowledge it, but it needn't take up half our of Wiki. BTW Contrary to what Barjammar thinks, this is not an exclusively Wiki/mjk thing. It was discussed on quite a few web sites. People tend to come to Wiki when they're looking for an answer. For that reason, we still need to have a reference for anyone looking for it. But lets keep it in proportion. Toru-chan 01:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mjk, yeah, it's a grey area. Probably it is worth a subheading in the wiki article itself, but so long as your blog and Barjammar's admission are live external links it is still on the record and we can leave it like that. Basically we'll give Barjammar the benefit of the doubt on this occasion. If Barjammar goes in another Informercial we can reconsider, but somehow I don't see it! :-) Toru-chan 03:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
infomercial, program length commercial, seems to be @:
< http://tvz.healthsecrets.com/?CFID=751683&CFTOKEN=19549302 >.
I often don't use my computer sound, so I could see, not hear.
It includes Hugh Malcolm Downs, Barry Marshall, & " Arthur Johnson".
I found comments @:
< http://thepermanentpress.blogspot.com/2006/09/what-heck-is-this-nobel-prize-winner.html >;
< http://tvsquad.com/2006/09/29/creepy-infomercial-replaces-creepy-host-with-hugh-downs >.
Thank You.
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 12:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Um, I was just wondering, if Barry Marshall and Robin Warren discovered the cause of gastritis and stomach ulcers, then who discovered the cure? Was it them who found the cure? Did scientists and doctors find the cure automatically because the treatment is the same for all bacteria? Or did it take more research to discover the cure? Please answer my questions if you do in fact know the answer, below.
Thankyou.
ANSWER: —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
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01:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The number 2: Customer reaction/complaints to World's Greatest Treasury of Health Secrets
When moving house a few months ago, I came across some papers related to my 1985 nomination in the Western Australia Section of the Five Outstanding Young Australian Awards, run by Australian Jaycees. Included in that documentation was a letter listing the 5 winners from the 16 nominees. One of the five winners was "Barry Marshall", but no details were given in the letter regarding his achievements. The awards ceremony in Bunbury on 31 August 1985 is long lost from my memory, but the letter says that's the date the awards were presented, and I do remember attending.
Can anyone confirm whether this award winner is the same Barry Marshall? I suspect it is, but I don't want to add unverified information to the main article. Yes, I've Googled, but have found no supporting evidence.
The picture attached to the article was most certainly not the Barry Marshall that is the subject of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.187.169.10 ( talk) 14:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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This article states that Marshall's self-induced gastritis was resolved with the aid of antibiotics, but the Helicobacter pylori article states that it resolved without treatment. Anyone know which is right?
New writer; I used to do 10-30 upper GI fluoroscopies a day in radiology- until this H pylori was discovered as the culprit and its treatment permitted by the US medical establishment as the cause of stomach and pyloric ulcers. Now that test is rare in the US.
Back in the 1990's a nurse I worked with in an American orthopedic office informed me that she would be seeing a doctor for treatment of an ulcer (that I would have to cover her area that afternoon). I told her of a new insight into the cause of ulcers- H pylori.
A usually docile orthopod heard me and shouted out in rage that the treatment was unproven, and told me to keep the idea to myself. I was unaware that the doctor's wife was an internist who was beginning to lose thousands of dollars a year in Tagamet prescriptions and its required periodic liver testing. It burned me on how the dollar corrupts virtue. I remembered this lesson when it was discovered a form of gadolinium used in MRI's was causing NSF and radiologists poo-pooed it- until proven- now patients everywhere are screened for kidney function before any form of radiologic contrast is injected.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.170.78.58 ( talk) 15:02, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Read all about it here. [2] Barjammar 16:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Barry Marshall (yes - its really me!)
Recently, Marhsall has been criticised for appearing in an infomercial touting the book "World's Greatest Treasury of Health Secrets" sold by Bottom Line Press, which is not a medical publisher.
Seems the only citation of this is a blog, which I don't think is good citation. I'm going to remove it -- Glockmeister 14:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok I'll see what Google turns up Glockmeister 01:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
It certainly seems to be Barry Marshall. Go to https://tvz.healthsecrets.com/ and skip to 2:06 of the video clip on the main page. The person in the video has an Australian accent and looks like the person in the pictures on Barry Marshall's personal website. http://www.vianet.net.au/~bjmrshll/ 70.69.54.1 11:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried contacting Barry Marshall and his Laboratory through their web sites to verify this. No luck. Barry Marshall doesn't publish his e-mail address and the only e-mail address on his "helico.com Foundation" (always suspicious am I of ".com foundations") bounces as "no such mail address". Maybe try their WHOIS record which they're required by regulation to keep up to date? [[User:Anon] Fri Jan 19 10:38:17 (UTC)
Any luck with WHOIS? I asked around. We may have an answer in a few days Toru-chan 00:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that the infomercial comments on this article are driven by mjk2357 original research and not any actual biographical sources. The history shows that mjk2357 added to the article the statement "Recently, Marshall has been criticised for appearing in an infomercial touting the book..." which was sourced only from mjk2357's blog site. BLPs require neutral point of view (NPOV) and no original research. I personally posted a comment on mjk2357's blog site about the wikipedia rules for biographies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons in October which mjk2357 promptly deleted (see above). More than three removals/edits by various editors have all been reverted by mjk2357. TLB 10:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi; I checked with the manager of my office and apparently there was no payment. Someone may put evidence on my blog page. Barjammar 21:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)Barry Marshall.
I refer you once again to Dr. Marshall's own blog where he says he was paid for his appearance. However this was donated to charity. If you research this book you will find it is pure quackery. It's a serious issue that a Nobel Prize winner was seen endorsing it! Dr. Marshall himself has admitted that it was a mistake for him to appear in the book. Anyone who looks up Dr. Marshall's page after seeing this informercial deserves to see this information and know that Dr. Marshall no longer endorses this book. As for the claims not being validated by the FDA, this is stated on Bottom Line's website, which is sourced. You are justified in editing this section but not in removing it entirely. I find it suspicious also that someone whose only contributions to Wikipedia are on this page (plus one other minor edit) is such a hawk about the rules. Perhaps this is a separate account you have for doing controversial things such as this? Mjk2357 12:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
One more thing: I checked the policy for living biographies and by repeatedly blanking a sourced section it's you that's in violation of the policy, not me. Mjk2357 12:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I appreciate that my Wikipedia page is getting back to normal with the "book" episode being represented by a link. I don't have time to study the rules but whoever did that for me, many thanks. I hope it sticks. Barjammar 13:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Barry Marshall
I think we do need to make some reference to it, but also don't think we need blow it out of proportion. Barjammar was basically suckered into giving an endorsement for a book that he believed, based on the article he checked for them, was bone fide. Could happen to any of us, and he's come clean. That aught to be good enough. We've *all* made the odd mistake in our past. Acknowledge it, but it needn't take up half our of Wiki. BTW Contrary to what Barjammar thinks, this is not an exclusively Wiki/mjk thing. It was discussed on quite a few web sites. People tend to come to Wiki when they're looking for an answer. For that reason, we still need to have a reference for anyone looking for it. But lets keep it in proportion. Toru-chan 01:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mjk, yeah, it's a grey area. Probably it is worth a subheading in the wiki article itself, but so long as your blog and Barjammar's admission are live external links it is still on the record and we can leave it like that. Basically we'll give Barjammar the benefit of the doubt on this occasion. If Barjammar goes in another Informercial we can reconsider, but somehow I don't see it! :-) Toru-chan 03:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
infomercial, program length commercial, seems to be @:
< http://tvz.healthsecrets.com/?CFID=751683&CFTOKEN=19549302 >.
I often don't use my computer sound, so I could see, not hear.
It includes Hugh Malcolm Downs, Barry Marshall, & " Arthur Johnson".
I found comments @:
< http://thepermanentpress.blogspot.com/2006/09/what-heck-is-this-nobel-prize-winner.html >;
< http://tvsquad.com/2006/09/29/creepy-infomercial-replaces-creepy-host-with-hugh-downs >.
Thank You.
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 12:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Um, I was just wondering, if Barry Marshall and Robin Warren discovered the cause of gastritis and stomach ulcers, then who discovered the cure? Was it them who found the cure? Did scientists and doctors find the cure automatically because the treatment is the same for all bacteria? Or did it take more research to discover the cure? Please answer my questions if you do in fact know the answer, below.
Thankyou.
ANSWER: —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
220.245.21.104 (
talk)
01:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The number 2: Customer reaction/complaints to World's Greatest Treasury of Health Secrets
When moving house a few months ago, I came across some papers related to my 1985 nomination in the Western Australia Section of the Five Outstanding Young Australian Awards, run by Australian Jaycees. Included in that documentation was a letter listing the 5 winners from the 16 nominees. One of the five winners was "Barry Marshall", but no details were given in the letter regarding his achievements. The awards ceremony in Bunbury on 31 August 1985 is long lost from my memory, but the letter says that's the date the awards were presented, and I do remember attending.
Can anyone confirm whether this award winner is the same Barry Marshall? I suspect it is, but I don't want to add unverified information to the main article. Yes, I've Googled, but have found no supporting evidence.
The picture attached to the article was most certainly not the Barry Marshall that is the subject of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.187.169.10 ( talk) 14:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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