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Hey Barry fans, the Kempler video of the Rabin murder is a big scoop. I just found the entire video a week ago and am posting it everywhere in every language. It is not hard to do. Yitzhak Rabin, Yigal Amir are the relevent links. I put together www.barrychamish.com and www.yigalamir.com. Both sites I pay the hosting fees. I don't mind spending a bit more money if the real killers of Rabin get punished. so post the Kempler video everywhere. The wiki that I have been unsuccesful posting is, of course, the hebrew wiki. There is a group that takes down the link within minutes. You can even post in english and comment in english. Kempler video. Believe it or not most Israeli's have never heard the term Kempler video. The video was shown for one week in 1996 and never seen again till a guy gave it to me. It was sitting in his computer for 9 and a half years. So please post in the hebrew wiki especially.
The following information could be included in the article of a verifiable source of information is given: Petitioning a retrial, however, Yigal Amir's new attorney is Dov Even-Or, who also represents Barry Chamish and David Rutstein in other cases. Such sources include one of the mainstream media channels and documents at the website of the court. They would not include self-made and maintained websites, original research and "alternative media souces", such as rotter.net, which publish materials sent to the without much verification. This comment also refers to the Yigal Amir article similar information is provided. Other than alternative media sources, we must comply with the Wikipedia policies to keep good credibility as a source information. gidonb 17:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
the petition filed by Yigal Amir attorney, Dov Even Or is online at all my hebrew web sites which include yigalamir.com shimonperes.net yitzhakrabin.co.il arielsharon.co.il .. as well on Larissa Amir, Yigal's wife, website yigal-amir.com just doubles click Yigal's picture and you can see the lawsuit..Regarding Gidonb decided what news source is reputable.. yea right, The story of the Rabin murder conspiracy is breaking. It should be over very soon.. so gidonb, I really don't know what your interest is.. but I really want the story to break before the next election.. Just like it had a mini-break before the labor primary... so alot of your work at deleting actually will cause Sharon/Peres to loose the election.. If the story broke sooner then Peres would be out completely.. Because of the small min - break out of the story.. Peres looses by a hair.. Peretz kicks him out of Labor.. and now Sharon will loose because of Peres... kempler video 17:56, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Chamish said that Yoko Ono was behind the assassination of John Lennon and that the song Imagine is about the New World Order. [1]
I couldn't find your reaction. I think some one erased it. if you have a back-up please repost here and on one of the Lennon pages.
Lenbrazil 14:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
It is actually still there. Please see Talk:John_Lennon#Conspiracy_theory. Regards, gidonb 14:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello KV! I really like the work you are doing here (I remember reading some of your stuff when I was putting an internal link on the Jeff Rense artical, and I saw your writings, indeed I was not surprised to see that there are some 'fixers' who are constantly trying to edit your stuff out in favore of some defamitory garbage against Mr. Chamish). However, why did you take out William Cooper's link? At least you could have merely taken out the UFO stuff, afterall Cooper did not believe it extraterrestrial, but rather an Illuminati ruse. Cooper was a patriot who was after the same people Chamish was, they are rather complimentery, and if some people want to discredit BOTH of them, that just shows what THEIR agenda is. Please do not be put off by Mr. Cooper (may he rest in peace).
SOME ADMIN COULD BLOCK HIM. HE IS REMOVING TIME AFTER TIME THE LINK TO OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF BARRY FOR NO GOOD REASON. -- Haham hanuka 12:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't see that as being adequate. On the YR page it might be appropriate to choose another link; on this page, a link to the page subjects website is clearly appropriate (do you contest that it is BC's website? If not, I can't see any excuse for removing the link). Put in a warning if you like. Note: I'm not going to edit here; I only followed WP:3RR. William M. Connolley 15:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC).
I do not understand why you two are fighting a revert war over whether Yigal Amir should be wiki'd or not [3] [4]. Before you both get yourselves blocked for 3RR, will you please discuss the issue at hand on the talk page here (without using CAPITALs or words like Troll). William M. Connolley 17:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC).
I don't understand why you are removing the link to Barry Chamish's website. As William M. Connolley said above, "a link to the page subjects website is clearly appropriate (do you contest that it is BC's website? If not, I can't see any excuse for removing the link)."
You said in the edit summary that you were removing a 'controversial' link. Of course it's going to contain controversial material given the controversial nature of the author but to not have Barry Chamish's website listed on the page about Barry Chamish would be silly. The same is true of other controversial people/organisations. -- Spondoolicks 14:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm no fan of Chamish, I think he is a second rate raving fruit loop lunatic, but I read he replied to Steve Plaut's debunking of his Rabin theories thought it should be linked of the article page. But I'm loo lazy too search Google for it. Lenbrazil 13:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
"He also claims that the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped by space aliens in league with the Illuminati."
if someone doesn't give me a source for this i'm deleting it.
Dear anon, I searched Lindbergh and Chamish and could only find this: http://www.rense.com/general19/cons.htm I guess this is the source. It falls short of what is mentioned in the article and is not by Chamish. Thank you for noticing and letting us know! Regards, gidonb 13:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
While I agree with neither the point of view of Chamish, or of the anti-Chamish anon (who has been vandalizing today), the current edit war ended up in deleting all criticisms on Mr. Chamish, including the external links. Since Chamish is so much criticized, that situation is extremely problematic. I hope that the warring sides and peacekeeping editors can find a compromise. I have NPOVd this article for a long time between the extreme POVs, but I am very busy at present. I learned about the existence of Chamish for the first time through Wikipedia. I do answer to questions on topic, since I learned through the edits of the article, but I trust others can learn the same. It is all on the web. gidonb 00:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that it is preposterous to list Daniel Pipes as a legitimate critic of Chamish (or anyone else for that matter.) While I agree with the overall assertion that Chamish's "facts" are highly suspect, this is equally true of Pipes. See the wikipedia entry for Pipes, in addition to myriad critiques available throughout the worldwide press. If Chamish is to be critiqued in an ethical and honest way it should not include the opinions of someone as discredited as Pipes. Thoughts?
Is Chamish an activist? What 'activity' has he participated in? political, militant, social? -- Shuki 22:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm here in response to a post from an anon on the BLP noticeboard|. The poster complained about bias. I am disregarding entirely what s/he said about the views of those editing this article, but I have to agree with him/her that the article is not (yet) properly referenced. I'm going to change all the inline ELs to inline references and make a few other changes. I will take out anything at all that is negative about the article subject or any other living person and that isn't adequately sourced. This may appear to be harsh, but it is necessary under BLP policy. Please feel free to continue discussing the issues here and to re-add any info for which good sources do turn out to be available. Itsmejudith ( talk) 11:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Citing an Islamophobic neoconservative who was quoted saying that Palestinians are miserable people and deserve to be so goes beyond all the principals that Wikipedia underlined for its articles. Please find another source that purports that Mr. Chamish is a holocaust denier whose articles were published, with his consent, in neonazi publications.
Ahm2307 ( talk) 12:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Hey Barry fans, the Kempler video of the Rabin murder is a big scoop. I just found the entire video a week ago and am posting it everywhere in every language. It is not hard to do. Yitzhak Rabin, Yigal Amir are the relevent links. I put together www.barrychamish.com and www.yigalamir.com. Both sites I pay the hosting fees. I don't mind spending a bit more money if the real killers of Rabin get punished. so post the Kempler video everywhere. The wiki that I have been unsuccesful posting is, of course, the hebrew wiki. There is a group that takes down the link within minutes. You can even post in english and comment in english. Kempler video. Believe it or not most Israeli's have never heard the term Kempler video. The video was shown for one week in 1996 and never seen again till a guy gave it to me. It was sitting in his computer for 9 and a half years. So please post in the hebrew wiki especially.
The following information could be included in the article of a verifiable source of information is given: Petitioning a retrial, however, Yigal Amir's new attorney is Dov Even-Or, who also represents Barry Chamish and David Rutstein in other cases. Such sources include one of the mainstream media channels and documents at the website of the court. They would not include self-made and maintained websites, original research and "alternative media souces", such as rotter.net, which publish materials sent to the without much verification. This comment also refers to the Yigal Amir article similar information is provided. Other than alternative media sources, we must comply with the Wikipedia policies to keep good credibility as a source information. gidonb 17:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
the petition filed by Yigal Amir attorney, Dov Even Or is online at all my hebrew web sites which include yigalamir.com shimonperes.net yitzhakrabin.co.il arielsharon.co.il .. as well on Larissa Amir, Yigal's wife, website yigal-amir.com just doubles click Yigal's picture and you can see the lawsuit..Regarding Gidonb decided what news source is reputable.. yea right, The story of the Rabin murder conspiracy is breaking. It should be over very soon.. so gidonb, I really don't know what your interest is.. but I really want the story to break before the next election.. Just like it had a mini-break before the labor primary... so alot of your work at deleting actually will cause Sharon/Peres to loose the election.. If the story broke sooner then Peres would be out completely.. Because of the small min - break out of the story.. Peres looses by a hair.. Peretz kicks him out of Labor.. and now Sharon will loose because of Peres... kempler video 17:56, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Chamish said that Yoko Ono was behind the assassination of John Lennon and that the song Imagine is about the New World Order. [1]
I couldn't find your reaction. I think some one erased it. if you have a back-up please repost here and on one of the Lennon pages.
Lenbrazil 14:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
It is actually still there. Please see Talk:John_Lennon#Conspiracy_theory. Regards, gidonb 14:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello KV! I really like the work you are doing here (I remember reading some of your stuff when I was putting an internal link on the Jeff Rense artical, and I saw your writings, indeed I was not surprised to see that there are some 'fixers' who are constantly trying to edit your stuff out in favore of some defamitory garbage against Mr. Chamish). However, why did you take out William Cooper's link? At least you could have merely taken out the UFO stuff, afterall Cooper did not believe it extraterrestrial, but rather an Illuminati ruse. Cooper was a patriot who was after the same people Chamish was, they are rather complimentery, and if some people want to discredit BOTH of them, that just shows what THEIR agenda is. Please do not be put off by Mr. Cooper (may he rest in peace).
SOME ADMIN COULD BLOCK HIM. HE IS REMOVING TIME AFTER TIME THE LINK TO OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF BARRY FOR NO GOOD REASON. -- Haham hanuka 12:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't see that as being adequate. On the YR page it might be appropriate to choose another link; on this page, a link to the page subjects website is clearly appropriate (do you contest that it is BC's website? If not, I can't see any excuse for removing the link). Put in a warning if you like. Note: I'm not going to edit here; I only followed WP:3RR. William M. Connolley 15:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC).
I do not understand why you two are fighting a revert war over whether Yigal Amir should be wiki'd or not [3] [4]. Before you both get yourselves blocked for 3RR, will you please discuss the issue at hand on the talk page here (without using CAPITALs or words like Troll). William M. Connolley 17:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC).
I don't understand why you are removing the link to Barry Chamish's website. As William M. Connolley said above, "a link to the page subjects website is clearly appropriate (do you contest that it is BC's website? If not, I can't see any excuse for removing the link)."
You said in the edit summary that you were removing a 'controversial' link. Of course it's going to contain controversial material given the controversial nature of the author but to not have Barry Chamish's website listed on the page about Barry Chamish would be silly. The same is true of other controversial people/organisations. -- Spondoolicks 14:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm no fan of Chamish, I think he is a second rate raving fruit loop lunatic, but I read he replied to Steve Plaut's debunking of his Rabin theories thought it should be linked of the article page. But I'm loo lazy too search Google for it. Lenbrazil 13:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
"He also claims that the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped by space aliens in league with the Illuminati."
if someone doesn't give me a source for this i'm deleting it.
Dear anon, I searched Lindbergh and Chamish and could only find this: http://www.rense.com/general19/cons.htm I guess this is the source. It falls short of what is mentioned in the article and is not by Chamish. Thank you for noticing and letting us know! Regards, gidonb 13:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
While I agree with neither the point of view of Chamish, or of the anti-Chamish anon (who has been vandalizing today), the current edit war ended up in deleting all criticisms on Mr. Chamish, including the external links. Since Chamish is so much criticized, that situation is extremely problematic. I hope that the warring sides and peacekeeping editors can find a compromise. I have NPOVd this article for a long time between the extreme POVs, but I am very busy at present. I learned about the existence of Chamish for the first time through Wikipedia. I do answer to questions on topic, since I learned through the edits of the article, but I trust others can learn the same. It is all on the web. gidonb 00:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that it is preposterous to list Daniel Pipes as a legitimate critic of Chamish (or anyone else for that matter.) While I agree with the overall assertion that Chamish's "facts" are highly suspect, this is equally true of Pipes. See the wikipedia entry for Pipes, in addition to myriad critiques available throughout the worldwide press. If Chamish is to be critiqued in an ethical and honest way it should not include the opinions of someone as discredited as Pipes. Thoughts?
Is Chamish an activist? What 'activity' has he participated in? political, militant, social? -- Shuki 22:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm here in response to a post from an anon on the BLP noticeboard|. The poster complained about bias. I am disregarding entirely what s/he said about the views of those editing this article, but I have to agree with him/her that the article is not (yet) properly referenced. I'm going to change all the inline ELs to inline references and make a few other changes. I will take out anything at all that is negative about the article subject or any other living person and that isn't adequately sourced. This may appear to be harsh, but it is necessary under BLP policy. Please feel free to continue discussing the issues here and to re-add any info for which good sources do turn out to be available. Itsmejudith ( talk) 11:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Citing an Islamophobic neoconservative who was quoted saying that Palestinians are miserable people and deserve to be so goes beyond all the principals that Wikipedia underlined for its articles. Please find another source that purports that Mr. Chamish is a holocaust denier whose articles were published, with his consent, in neonazi publications.
Ahm2307 ( talk) 12:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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