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Since Ghirlandajo repeatedly removes examples from Lithuania and asked for explanation, here you go.
While both St. Peter and St. Paul church in Vilnius and Pažaislis monastery in Kaunas are indeed outstanding for their architecture, the primary point for having them mentioned in the article is that they exemplify geographic diversity of baroque in the Commonwealth. Nevertheless, both are important and deserve separate articles on their own. The Pažaislis complex is one of the most magnificent examples of Italian baroque in Eastern Europe both for its outside and interior. Unfortunately some of the stukko inside were damaged when Russians closed the monastery in 1832 and converted it later into an Orthodox church. Nevertheless the church was renovated in 1970s and remains famous for its exterior architecture and the fresco in its dome. Vilnius has abundance of baroque churches, St. Peter and St. Paul basilique is mentioned as an example only. It is outstanding primarily for its extremely rich stucco decorations. -- Lysy ( talk) 09:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Spanish baroque is not only Churrigueresque, and Churrigueresque is not only superficial decoration. Correcting this aspects is possitive for an overview of the Style. Ghirlandajo, please, ask before deleting. See User_talk:Ghirlandajo. -- Garcilaso 17:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Let's review Garcilaso's additions:
In Madrid, a vernacular Baroque with its roots in Herrera and in traditional brick construction was developed in the Plaza Mayor and in the Royal Palace of El Buen Retiro. This sober brick Baroque of the 17th century is still well represented in the streets of the capital in palaces and squares.
However, Churrigueresque baroque offered some of the most impressive combinations of space and light with buildings like Granada`s Charterhouse, considered to be the apotheosis of Churrigueresque styles applied to interior spaces, or the Transparente of the Cathedral of Toledo, by Narciso Tomé, where sculpture and architecture are integrated to achieve notable light dramatic effects.
The Royal Palace of Madrid and the interventions of Paseo del Prado (Salón del Prado and Alcalá Doorgate) in the same city, deserve special mention. They were constructed in a sober Baroque international style, often mistaken for neoclassical, by the Bourbon kings Philip V and Charles III. The Royal Palaces of La Granja de San Ildefonso, in Segovia, and Aranjuez, in Madrid, are good examples of baroque integration of architecture and gardening, with noticeable French influence (La Granja is known as the Spanish Versailles), but with local spatial conceptions which in some ways display the heritage of the Moorish occupation.
Hallelujah! At last Your Higness descend to my level and argue with his wide knowledge, and not only with force arguments! This really a good step, and I encourage you to continue in this way, but better next time before some weeks of authoritary unexplained reversions. Now, let's see how solid are your arguments. I will start with content and then I will answer on form:
1-Madrid. Again you establish yourself as the Only Truth Owner. Madrid may not be the most Baroque City in the World, but its inclussion in this article has nothing to do with "touristic stuff", but with impression that in a general overview, the characteristical local branches should be quotated. If other cities deserve more attention, please, don`t neglect "your" article and do it. Mentioning Hospicio de San Fernando portal (and assertinig that all Churriguerseque is as plain as this and other portals) is not enough to have a general view of Madrid. This is as inconsistent as saying that mentioning the building at Rue Franklin of Perret is enough representation of Paris, and that Art Nouveau from Guimard has no place in an article about Architecture at the turn of the century, because all are in the same city.
I wouldn't say that Madrid is the most Baroque of the European cities and that its importance for the development of the style should be highlighted in a separate passage.Ghirlandajo
I don´t know how much you know about the stuff, but have a look on what Fernando Chueca Goitia,, the undiscussed most prestigious Historian of Spanish Architecture says about the subject: "(...)También Salamanca modula de manera personal su barroco de piedra dorada, heredero, del plateresco...y así una serie de grupos y subgrupos y variedades infinitas, sin olvidar el papel muy importante que adquiere el barroco madrileño como síntesis nacional, sin dejar de perder acento local. Por primera vez el arte madrileño, el arte de la capital, empieza a jugar un incuestionable papel rector." (Fernando Chueca Goitia, Historia de la arquitectura española, tomo II, Fundación Cultural Santa Teresa de Ávila, ISBN 84-923918-7-1 2001. pg. 251) Says that among all the regional varieties of Barroque, Madrid established as both the undiscussed leader and the synthesis of Spanish Baroque, with its local accent. I don´t say that it should have a separate passage in the article, only that the particular brick Baroque has nothing to do with Churrigueresque and nothing to do with European influences, and it should be quotated just to have a more real view of Baroque in Spain. I know that it is very common to ignore other aspects but the more spectacular, but the only porpose of quotating Madrid is having constance of a spreaded particular branch of Baroque. Personally, I don´t like it much but it exists.
2-About Granada Charterhouse and Transparente, congratulations for having learned about their existence and importance at last, but with your expression I keep this passage, although its proper place is Churrigueresque and the Transparente should be discussed in the article about Baroque sculpture rather than architecture., you again make clear your lack of knowledge about the subject. The Transparente IS architecture as well as sculpture, the webpage you used to inform yourself of its existence shows a partial view. Have a look at these: [1] [2], [3] [4] and note that Sir Nikolaus Pevsner, in its "An Outline of European Architecture" (Penguin, Middlesex, 1943), as an outline, not talking of all regional forms, but only of outstanding buildings, he starts the Baroque talking about Maderna, Borromini, Bernini, Vignola, Cortona, then the Scala Regia, and then, hocus pocus!...Toledo Transparente, and Granada Charterhouse. Then he continues with Guarino Guarini, and so on. Have a look at what some of what he says: The most outstanding example on Spanish soil is Narciso Tomé`s Transparente in Toledo Cathedral(...)Catholic orthodoxy objected to people walking along the ambulatory behind the Blessed Sacrament. So an ingenious plan was worked out by which the Sacrament could be seen(...) from the ambulatory as well. (...) Attention was focused on to the Sacrament by richly decorated columns. They are linked up with larger outer columns by cornices curved upwards. These curves and the relief scenes in perspective on the panel below give the illusion -in the same way as Bernini´s colonnade in the Scala Regia- that the distance from front to back of the altar is far deeper than it really is.(He continues talking, about wonders, miraclous effects... and then:) What the ingenious architect has done is to to take out the masonry between the ribs of half a gothic vault(...)And when to discover this source of magic light, we turn round, away from the altar, we see in the dazzling light beyond the angels Christ himself...(and so on). He talks about Spatial extremism, pulling a whole room into a vast stupefying ornament... I advise to you to read in in its whole, to see the admiration and respact of Pevsner for the architect who did it, as well as again the Fernando Chueca Historia de la Arquitectura Española to get more details of both architecture pieces and to understand their importance. So let me see, you have being blindly reverting the addition of two of the most widely internationally recognised spatial achievements of Spanish Baroque, because you didn´t even know of their existence. It is not the first time it happens with edition of new-for-you styles edited by me, but I hope it is the last.
3 La Granja, Aranjuez, Royal Palace... The problem is different here. We both agree in the inclusion of those buildings, but here it is only a problem of form, and of WP:OWN. Your redaction of the article, is nice, congratulations. But if you want it to be untouched, don´t submit it. With all your prestige you won´t find problems in editing a book, or writing articles in magazines, but if you have, you can also write your own webpage, called, "Ghirlandajo´s Corner", or something similar, to express all your literary achievements. But Wikipedia is different. You are not the owner of the article. If I think that Spanish significative monuments should be quotated in the Spanish section better than in Scandinavia's, my point of view is as legitimate as yours, and expressions like "a derivative structure of little originality, " are purely subjective personal assertions. I could submit you to the same proceeding you are doing to me and delete all the buildings and expressions I dont agree or just don´t know, or request your sources for each expression you make. The fact is that, as it was, your Perfect-untouchable article, was incomplet, and gave a false view of Baroque. Granada Charterhouse and Transparente are in the article for their own right and merits, not because you save my live. I will follow George Mikes` advises and won´t say "Don´t bully me", but will use instead "I repudiate your petulant expostulations". Yours sincerely, -- Garcilaso 11:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Note: I have already enlarged Spanish Baroque. As for Spanish Architecture, this is such a huge subject I am afraid all my efforts would not be enough. Spanish architecture comes from Megalitic monuments to Contemporary architects. I prefer to write some minor articles about partial aspects of Spanish architecture before I try with that inmense project by myself.
I removed tour-guide language, if that is OK Brosi 19:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Valletta was described as "a city of palaces built by gentlemen for gentlemen" by Benjamin Disraeli, who also remarked that "Valletta, equals in its noble architecture, if it does not excel, any capital in Europe" and in subsequent letters to friends, that it is "comparable to Venice and Cadiz...not a single tree, but full of palaces worthy of Palladio." Valletta, inscribed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1980, is rich in architectural, historical and cultural heritage - a unique, baroque, fortified city.
According to the text "There is little Baroque about Dutch architecture of the 17th century. The architecture of the first republic in Northern Europe was meant to reflect democratic values by quoting extensively from classical antiquity." The first sentence is more or less accurate, but I am more concerned with "democratic values" This is a modern phraseology. Brosi 13:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it might make more sense to divide the article into areas of Europe rather than empires/kingdoms etc. unless a particular country or state was known to have a particular style? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I think this article needs editing, because it is not very readable in its current state. A few examples:
I've been so free to add the copyedit template to the page. ThomasTenCate ( talk) 08:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: Polish Baroque and Enlightenment literature: an anthology By Michael J. Mikoś. Text was introduced to the article on February 23, 2008, here. See, for example, [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]
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The Queluz National Palace is featured in a picture on this page, but is it Baroque? The article on the palace describes it as "One of the last great Rococo buildings to be designed in Europe". Its article does mention how it was heavily influenced by Baroque architecture (as was Rococo). Maybe it would be better to put a different photo of the Palace, since this current one seems to exemplify the Rococo more so than the Baroque? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helixer ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I think this article needs a bit of cleaning-up when it comes to the pictures. In my opinion it's really cluttered. I was just dropping by to check some things about baroque architecture in Scandinavia and there's a picture of an unnamed French chateau there... I don't know what other people think, do you also find it a bit cluttered? Thanks. Yakikaki ( talk) 07:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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I'm puzzled why an editor changed baroque to Baroque with a capital B throughout the article. It's not a proper name, and it's not spelled with a capital B in either Webster's or the Oxford English dictionary, nor in the French Wikipedia or French sources. I think it should be spelled baroque. Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 08:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 18:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
This article needs some improvements in plan and content to match other articles on architectural styles.
I can do some of this, but help is certainly welcome. Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk)
I have added a section on history, divided into the three main periods, and have added a numberer of citations. I have also added to the section on characteristics, and added citations there. I would like to add a gallery of plans to this section.
The next big step is redoing the section on the individual countries. It needs considerable rewriting, since it's now an essay, not in Wikipedia style, and needs citations for each entry. I think the individual country sections can be retained, but should be reduced to the names and links to the most prominent works in each country, plus any other essential comments for context. There should be at least one image per country, but probably not more,
The model for this section could be the comparable section in Renaissance Architecture, or could it could be in the form of a short list of most important architects and works. Comments and suggestions welcome. Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 09:32, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
As t the citations needed tag, there are so many sections without citations that the article would be full of tags. I'm going to try to reduce the number myself, but a lot of the text without citations is in academic essay style, so it needs to be rewritten or cut out rather than just cited. Cordially, 17:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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Since Ghirlandajo repeatedly removes examples from Lithuania and asked for explanation, here you go.
While both St. Peter and St. Paul church in Vilnius and Pažaislis monastery in Kaunas are indeed outstanding for their architecture, the primary point for having them mentioned in the article is that they exemplify geographic diversity of baroque in the Commonwealth. Nevertheless, both are important and deserve separate articles on their own. The Pažaislis complex is one of the most magnificent examples of Italian baroque in Eastern Europe both for its outside and interior. Unfortunately some of the stukko inside were damaged when Russians closed the monastery in 1832 and converted it later into an Orthodox church. Nevertheless the church was renovated in 1970s and remains famous for its exterior architecture and the fresco in its dome. Vilnius has abundance of baroque churches, St. Peter and St. Paul basilique is mentioned as an example only. It is outstanding primarily for its extremely rich stucco decorations. -- Lysy ( talk) 09:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Spanish baroque is not only Churrigueresque, and Churrigueresque is not only superficial decoration. Correcting this aspects is possitive for an overview of the Style. Ghirlandajo, please, ask before deleting. See User_talk:Ghirlandajo. -- Garcilaso 17:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Let's review Garcilaso's additions:
In Madrid, a vernacular Baroque with its roots in Herrera and in traditional brick construction was developed in the Plaza Mayor and in the Royal Palace of El Buen Retiro. This sober brick Baroque of the 17th century is still well represented in the streets of the capital in palaces and squares.
However, Churrigueresque baroque offered some of the most impressive combinations of space and light with buildings like Granada`s Charterhouse, considered to be the apotheosis of Churrigueresque styles applied to interior spaces, or the Transparente of the Cathedral of Toledo, by Narciso Tomé, where sculpture and architecture are integrated to achieve notable light dramatic effects.
The Royal Palace of Madrid and the interventions of Paseo del Prado (Salón del Prado and Alcalá Doorgate) in the same city, deserve special mention. They were constructed in a sober Baroque international style, often mistaken for neoclassical, by the Bourbon kings Philip V and Charles III. The Royal Palaces of La Granja de San Ildefonso, in Segovia, and Aranjuez, in Madrid, are good examples of baroque integration of architecture and gardening, with noticeable French influence (La Granja is known as the Spanish Versailles), but with local spatial conceptions which in some ways display the heritage of the Moorish occupation.
Hallelujah! At last Your Higness descend to my level and argue with his wide knowledge, and not only with force arguments! This really a good step, and I encourage you to continue in this way, but better next time before some weeks of authoritary unexplained reversions. Now, let's see how solid are your arguments. I will start with content and then I will answer on form:
1-Madrid. Again you establish yourself as the Only Truth Owner. Madrid may not be the most Baroque City in the World, but its inclussion in this article has nothing to do with "touristic stuff", but with impression that in a general overview, the characteristical local branches should be quotated. If other cities deserve more attention, please, don`t neglect "your" article and do it. Mentioning Hospicio de San Fernando portal (and assertinig that all Churriguerseque is as plain as this and other portals) is not enough to have a general view of Madrid. This is as inconsistent as saying that mentioning the building at Rue Franklin of Perret is enough representation of Paris, and that Art Nouveau from Guimard has no place in an article about Architecture at the turn of the century, because all are in the same city.
I wouldn't say that Madrid is the most Baroque of the European cities and that its importance for the development of the style should be highlighted in a separate passage.Ghirlandajo
I don´t know how much you know about the stuff, but have a look on what Fernando Chueca Goitia,, the undiscussed most prestigious Historian of Spanish Architecture says about the subject: "(...)También Salamanca modula de manera personal su barroco de piedra dorada, heredero, del plateresco...y así una serie de grupos y subgrupos y variedades infinitas, sin olvidar el papel muy importante que adquiere el barroco madrileño como síntesis nacional, sin dejar de perder acento local. Por primera vez el arte madrileño, el arte de la capital, empieza a jugar un incuestionable papel rector." (Fernando Chueca Goitia, Historia de la arquitectura española, tomo II, Fundación Cultural Santa Teresa de Ávila, ISBN 84-923918-7-1 2001. pg. 251) Says that among all the regional varieties of Barroque, Madrid established as both the undiscussed leader and the synthesis of Spanish Baroque, with its local accent. I don´t say that it should have a separate passage in the article, only that the particular brick Baroque has nothing to do with Churrigueresque and nothing to do with European influences, and it should be quotated just to have a more real view of Baroque in Spain. I know that it is very common to ignore other aspects but the more spectacular, but the only porpose of quotating Madrid is having constance of a spreaded particular branch of Baroque. Personally, I don´t like it much but it exists.
2-About Granada Charterhouse and Transparente, congratulations for having learned about their existence and importance at last, but with your expression I keep this passage, although its proper place is Churrigueresque and the Transparente should be discussed in the article about Baroque sculpture rather than architecture., you again make clear your lack of knowledge about the subject. The Transparente IS architecture as well as sculpture, the webpage you used to inform yourself of its existence shows a partial view. Have a look at these: [1] [2], [3] [4] and note that Sir Nikolaus Pevsner, in its "An Outline of European Architecture" (Penguin, Middlesex, 1943), as an outline, not talking of all regional forms, but only of outstanding buildings, he starts the Baroque talking about Maderna, Borromini, Bernini, Vignola, Cortona, then the Scala Regia, and then, hocus pocus!...Toledo Transparente, and Granada Charterhouse. Then he continues with Guarino Guarini, and so on. Have a look at what some of what he says: The most outstanding example on Spanish soil is Narciso Tomé`s Transparente in Toledo Cathedral(...)Catholic orthodoxy objected to people walking along the ambulatory behind the Blessed Sacrament. So an ingenious plan was worked out by which the Sacrament could be seen(...) from the ambulatory as well. (...) Attention was focused on to the Sacrament by richly decorated columns. They are linked up with larger outer columns by cornices curved upwards. These curves and the relief scenes in perspective on the panel below give the illusion -in the same way as Bernini´s colonnade in the Scala Regia- that the distance from front to back of the altar is far deeper than it really is.(He continues talking, about wonders, miraclous effects... and then:) What the ingenious architect has done is to to take out the masonry between the ribs of half a gothic vault(...)And when to discover this source of magic light, we turn round, away from the altar, we see in the dazzling light beyond the angels Christ himself...(and so on). He talks about Spatial extremism, pulling a whole room into a vast stupefying ornament... I advise to you to read in in its whole, to see the admiration and respact of Pevsner for the architect who did it, as well as again the Fernando Chueca Historia de la Arquitectura Española to get more details of both architecture pieces and to understand their importance. So let me see, you have being blindly reverting the addition of two of the most widely internationally recognised spatial achievements of Spanish Baroque, because you didn´t even know of their existence. It is not the first time it happens with edition of new-for-you styles edited by me, but I hope it is the last.
3 La Granja, Aranjuez, Royal Palace... The problem is different here. We both agree in the inclusion of those buildings, but here it is only a problem of form, and of WP:OWN. Your redaction of the article, is nice, congratulations. But if you want it to be untouched, don´t submit it. With all your prestige you won´t find problems in editing a book, or writing articles in magazines, but if you have, you can also write your own webpage, called, "Ghirlandajo´s Corner", or something similar, to express all your literary achievements. But Wikipedia is different. You are not the owner of the article. If I think that Spanish significative monuments should be quotated in the Spanish section better than in Scandinavia's, my point of view is as legitimate as yours, and expressions like "a derivative structure of little originality, " are purely subjective personal assertions. I could submit you to the same proceeding you are doing to me and delete all the buildings and expressions I dont agree or just don´t know, or request your sources for each expression you make. The fact is that, as it was, your Perfect-untouchable article, was incomplet, and gave a false view of Baroque. Granada Charterhouse and Transparente are in the article for their own right and merits, not because you save my live. I will follow George Mikes` advises and won´t say "Don´t bully me", but will use instead "I repudiate your petulant expostulations". Yours sincerely, -- Garcilaso 11:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Note: I have already enlarged Spanish Baroque. As for Spanish Architecture, this is such a huge subject I am afraid all my efforts would not be enough. Spanish architecture comes from Megalitic monuments to Contemporary architects. I prefer to write some minor articles about partial aspects of Spanish architecture before I try with that inmense project by myself.
I removed tour-guide language, if that is OK Brosi 19:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Valletta was described as "a city of palaces built by gentlemen for gentlemen" by Benjamin Disraeli, who also remarked that "Valletta, equals in its noble architecture, if it does not excel, any capital in Europe" and in subsequent letters to friends, that it is "comparable to Venice and Cadiz...not a single tree, but full of palaces worthy of Palladio." Valletta, inscribed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1980, is rich in architectural, historical and cultural heritage - a unique, baroque, fortified city.
According to the text "There is little Baroque about Dutch architecture of the 17th century. The architecture of the first republic in Northern Europe was meant to reflect democratic values by quoting extensively from classical antiquity." The first sentence is more or less accurate, but I am more concerned with "democratic values" This is a modern phraseology. Brosi 13:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it might make more sense to divide the article into areas of Europe rather than empires/kingdoms etc. unless a particular country or state was known to have a particular style? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I think this article needs editing, because it is not very readable in its current state. A few examples:
I've been so free to add the copyedit template to the page. ThomasTenCate ( talk) 08:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: Polish Baroque and Enlightenment literature: an anthology By Michael J. Mikoś. Text was introduced to the article on February 23, 2008, here. See, for example, [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]
Infringing material has been replaced with earlier content and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) Earlier images have also been restored, but there should be prejudice to readding any images removed if contributors deem them appropriate.
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
The Queluz National Palace is featured in a picture on this page, but is it Baroque? The article on the palace describes it as "One of the last great Rococo buildings to be designed in Europe". Its article does mention how it was heavily influenced by Baroque architecture (as was Rococo). Maybe it would be better to put a different photo of the Palace, since this current one seems to exemplify the Rococo more so than the Baroque? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helixer ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I think this article needs a bit of cleaning-up when it comes to the pictures. In my opinion it's really cluttered. I was just dropping by to check some things about baroque architecture in Scandinavia and there's a picture of an unnamed French chateau there... I don't know what other people think, do you also find it a bit cluttered? Thanks. Yakikaki ( talk) 07:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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I'm puzzled why an editor changed baroque to Baroque with a capital B throughout the article. It's not a proper name, and it's not spelled with a capital B in either Webster's or the Oxford English dictionary, nor in the French Wikipedia or French sources. I think it should be spelled baroque. Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 08:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 18:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
This article needs some improvements in plan and content to match other articles on architectural styles.
I can do some of this, but help is certainly welcome. Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk)
I have added a section on history, divided into the three main periods, and have added a numberer of citations. I have also added to the section on characteristics, and added citations there. I would like to add a gallery of plans to this section.
The next big step is redoing the section on the individual countries. It needs considerable rewriting, since it's now an essay, not in Wikipedia style, and needs citations for each entry. I think the individual country sections can be retained, but should be reduced to the names and links to the most prominent works in each country, plus any other essential comments for context. There should be at least one image per country, but probably not more,
The model for this section could be the comparable section in Renaissance Architecture, or could it could be in the form of a short list of most important architects and works. Comments and suggestions welcome. Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 09:32, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
As t the citations needed tag, there are so many sections without citations that the article would be full of tags. I'm going to try to reduce the number myself, but a lot of the text without citations is in academic essay style, so it needs to be rewritten or cut out rather than just cited. Cordially, 17:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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