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I visited this page looking for an answer to two specific questions. First, what is Commissioner Gordon's current status in re Oracle: is he in contact with her? does he know that she's his daughter? does he know that his daughter is even alive? Second, what is the relationship between Oracle and the other members of the JLA?
I found an answer to neither question on this page. I don't know that this means that it isn't a good article, but I would venture to suggest that it's not quite as complete as it might be.
Also, Gail Simone's comment in the "Oracle (1988-present)" section should perhaps be moved to the "Critical and editorial commentary" section. As it stands, the latter section seems to be dominated by people who either (a) liked Babs better as Batgirl, or (b) want her to stay on as Oracle so she can serve as a role model to the handicapped. There should be at least one representative there of Viewpoint C: Babs should stay on as Oracle because she's cooler as an all-seeing Lady in the Tower than as a standard superhero. Just a thought. - Agur bar Jacé ( talk) 16:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
DC Senior Vice President Dan DiDio comments, "Some stories... are so strong that undoing them would be a crime. The DCU would be a lesser place without Barry's sacrifice, or the crippling of Barbara at the hands of the Joker."
Who is Barry? A link would be handy, or an explanation, in square brackets, within the quotation, or perhaps after the quotation; or, it could be rephrased ("The DCU would be a lesser place without [...] the crippling..." etc.) to remove reference to this mysterious Barry.
As it stands, Barry is slightly more enigmatic than he should be, here.
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I've removed again the material speculating about Barbara's love interests/fantasies/whatever:
- During the time of The Animated Series, Barbara is shown to be attracted to Nightwing/Robin/Dick Grayson [1]. Mirroring the comics, the two have a romantic relationship that does not last. Batgirl is seen fantasizing about Batman [2], but the only explicit relationship she is shown in is with Grayson. After The Animated Series, Gordon tries to rekindle their relationship in The New Batman Adventures, but to no avail.
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She's better known as Batgirl by fans in other media but in comics she's currently Oracle. Which name do you think should appear in the info box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.99.28 ( talk) 01:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Should Kim Yale and John Ostrander be listed as creators for Oracle in the "Created by" section of the publication box ? In creating Oracle, they created what was basically a new character and effectively created a new world for that character to occupy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.113.243 ( talk) 22:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
DC writer Gail Simone has announced at http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/06/gail-simone-on-barbara-gordons-return-to-batgirl/ (try dcu.blog.dccomics.com and scroll down if the direct link doesn't work) that Gordon will resume the Batgirl identity in a series to begin this September. How should this be addressed on the page? ShaleZero ( talk) 13:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Yesterday, while updating the article, I changed the main image to File:Batgirl1.jpg to reflect the character's return to her former identity. The edit was reverted for reasons: "1 is way too early the other needs discussion", so I'd like to discuss it now. To be honest, I've always been in favor of having a Batgirl picture as the main image as a more iconic representation of the character. Considering the wealth of sources confirming the character's change, its not exactly a case of WP:CRYSTAL. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 19:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I thought that deserved to be said on the talk page where the various contributors would see it; I'm assuming a great deal was done by Bookkeeperoftheoccult ( talk · contribs). Cheers to great work! Zythe ( talk) 10:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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Knowing nothing about this character, can someone please check if the Oracle is an information broker in the data broker sense of the word in the Wikipedia article? (I'm trying to sort out a lot of incorrectly linked articles relating to similar terms at the moment.) Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 06:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Fails criteria 2, 3, and 4. The article needs more citations (preferably from secondary sources), it is tagged as needing updates, it goes into excessive detail significantly beyond what is appropriate for the article, and the commentary section uses a non-neutral structure. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 01:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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I visited this page looking for an answer to two specific questions. First, what is Commissioner Gordon's current status in re Oracle: is he in contact with her? does he know that she's his daughter? does he know that his daughter is even alive? Second, what is the relationship between Oracle and the other members of the JLA?
I found an answer to neither question on this page. I don't know that this means that it isn't a good article, but I would venture to suggest that it's not quite as complete as it might be.
Also, Gail Simone's comment in the "Oracle (1988-present)" section should perhaps be moved to the "Critical and editorial commentary" section. As it stands, the latter section seems to be dominated by people who either (a) liked Babs better as Batgirl, or (b) want her to stay on as Oracle so she can serve as a role model to the handicapped. There should be at least one representative there of Viewpoint C: Babs should stay on as Oracle because she's cooler as an all-seeing Lady in the Tower than as a standard superhero. Just a thought. - Agur bar Jacé ( talk) 16:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
DC Senior Vice President Dan DiDio comments, "Some stories... are so strong that undoing them would be a crime. The DCU would be a lesser place without Barry's sacrifice, or the crippling of Barbara at the hands of the Joker."
Who is Barry? A link would be handy, or an explanation, in square brackets, within the quotation, or perhaps after the quotation; or, it could be rephrased ("The DCU would be a lesser place without [...] the crippling..." etc.) to remove reference to this mysterious Barry.
As it stands, Barry is slightly more enigmatic than he should be, here.
G. 117.92.147.242 ( talk) 18:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I've removed again the material speculating about Barbara's love interests/fantasies/whatever:
- During the time of The Animated Series, Barbara is shown to be attracted to Nightwing/Robin/Dick Grayson [1]. Mirroring the comics, the two have a romantic relationship that does not last. Batgirl is seen fantasizing about Batman [2], but the only explicit relationship she is shown in is with Grayson. After The Animated Series, Gordon tries to rekindle their relationship in The New Batman Adventures, but to no avail.
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She's better known as Batgirl by fans in other media but in comics she's currently Oracle. Which name do you think should appear in the info box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.99.28 ( talk) 01:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Should Kim Yale and John Ostrander be listed as creators for Oracle in the "Created by" section of the publication box ? In creating Oracle, they created what was basically a new character and effectively created a new world for that character to occupy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.113.243 ( talk) 22:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
DC writer Gail Simone has announced at http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/06/gail-simone-on-barbara-gordons-return-to-batgirl/ (try dcu.blog.dccomics.com and scroll down if the direct link doesn't work) that Gordon will resume the Batgirl identity in a series to begin this September. How should this be addressed on the page? ShaleZero ( talk) 13:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Yesterday, while updating the article, I changed the main image to File:Batgirl1.jpg to reflect the character's return to her former identity. The edit was reverted for reasons: "1 is way too early the other needs discussion", so I'd like to discuss it now. To be honest, I've always been in favor of having a Batgirl picture as the main image as a more iconic representation of the character. Considering the wealth of sources confirming the character's change, its not exactly a case of WP:CRYSTAL. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 19:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I thought that deserved to be said on the talk page where the various contributors would see it; I'm assuming a great deal was done by Bookkeeperoftheoccult ( talk · contribs). Cheers to great work! Zythe ( talk) 10:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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Knowing nothing about this character, can someone please check if the Oracle is an information broker in the data broker sense of the word in the Wikipedia article? (I'm trying to sort out a lot of incorrectly linked articles relating to similar terms at the moment.) Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 06:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Fails criteria 2, 3, and 4. The article needs more citations (preferably from secondary sources), it is tagged as needing updates, it goes into excessive detail significantly beyond what is appropriate for the article, and the commentary section uses a non-neutral structure. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 01:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)