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Whence came the name "Parrot Bush"?
Need to find out what Pelloe had to say in 1924, if anything. And need to check the original '33 or '34 Western Mail article in which Dell's painting first appeared, and Gardner's 1935 text.... Both of these now answered by Bennett, E. (1991) Common and Aboriginal names of Western Australian plant species.
According to this site Abbott cites Moore as the source for these names. Presumably Moore means George Fletcher Moore's 1842 A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language of the Aborigines, which I have a scan of. Will take a look. Hesperian 06:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
B. sessilis was given the common name Sessile Josephia when first published in 1809, but this was rejected along with the scientific name. In 1810 the common name Many Flowered Dryandra was coined for the Hortus Kewensis, and this was used by Sims in 1813.
In Australia, the names Prickly Dryandra and Shaving-brush Flower were offered up by Emily Pelloe in 1921, but neither of these were repeated. The name Holly-leaved Dryandra was used in the Western Mail articles of 1933 and 1933, and this was taken up by William Blackall in 1954, and was still in use as late as 1970. Meanwhile, Gardner used the name Parrot Bush in 1959, a name by which the species was "well-known to bee-keepers", according to Royce. This name was widely adopted, and by 1970 was in almost exclusive usage.
The only indigenous names known for the plant are "Budjan" and "Butyak", both of which were published by George Fletcher Moore in his 1842 A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language of the Aborigines. Ian Elliott has suggested the latter name should be preferred, but with the orthography "Pudjak".
Hesperian 04:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Melburnian 07:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Number 29: both previous Cavanagh refs included page numbers in their names. Circeus ( talk) 04:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a seedling in a pot here - I took some seeds to see if it would grow on the east coast as it is such a colonizer - the sedling has cotyledon leaves plus two more. Wanna photo?
Also, I heard Kerosene Bush as another name for it. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is well-sourced and in good shape. There is, however, a citation needed tag after the sentence "These were subsequently republished in Charles Gardner's 1935 West Australian Wild Flowers, but the text did not cover cultivation." Anyone have a source for this? Firsfron of Ronchester 21:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Ucucha 01:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking good so far--I'll give the article a thorough read, fix any small issues I find, and come back here with any concerns. Ucucha 01:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll come back later with a few more general comments (if any). Ucucha 01:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Ucucha 02:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Both have been resolved, so I am now passing this as a GA—it's certainly a great introduction to this plant. Some further comments that don't have a bearing on GA status:
Ucucha 13:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This is an interesting case. The reliably sourced facts before us are:
Both facts are relevant to the article. Both facts are intimately related to each other. It makes sense to present this as "Abbott says... but Moore says...."; but there a danger, as we're all aware, of making a novel synthesis: putting these two facts together and implying a conclusion that neither source supports. My concern was that the "Abbott says... but Moore says...." sentence can be read as "Abbott says... but Abbott is wrong." I spent ages wording and rewording to try to avoid any hint that we are laying blame for the contradiction. In the end I decided to cut the Gordian knot by more or less explitly stating that we aren't taking a position. That is what the "It is unclear... " sentence does. No, there is no source for it. If it has to go, it has to go, but I still say that in its absense the paragraph will read as though we are faulting Abbott. Hesperian 00:33, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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Whence came the name "Parrot Bush"?
Need to find out what Pelloe had to say in 1924, if anything. And need to check the original '33 or '34 Western Mail article in which Dell's painting first appeared, and Gardner's 1935 text.... Both of these now answered by Bennett, E. (1991) Common and Aboriginal names of Western Australian plant species.
According to this site Abbott cites Moore as the source for these names. Presumably Moore means George Fletcher Moore's 1842 A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language of the Aborigines, which I have a scan of. Will take a look. Hesperian 06:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
B. sessilis was given the common name Sessile Josephia when first published in 1809, but this was rejected along with the scientific name. In 1810 the common name Many Flowered Dryandra was coined for the Hortus Kewensis, and this was used by Sims in 1813.
In Australia, the names Prickly Dryandra and Shaving-brush Flower were offered up by Emily Pelloe in 1921, but neither of these were repeated. The name Holly-leaved Dryandra was used in the Western Mail articles of 1933 and 1933, and this was taken up by William Blackall in 1954, and was still in use as late as 1970. Meanwhile, Gardner used the name Parrot Bush in 1959, a name by which the species was "well-known to bee-keepers", according to Royce. This name was widely adopted, and by 1970 was in almost exclusive usage.
The only indigenous names known for the plant are "Budjan" and "Butyak", both of which were published by George Fletcher Moore in his 1842 A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language of the Aborigines. Ian Elliott has suggested the latter name should be preferred, but with the orthography "Pudjak".
Hesperian 04:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Melburnian 07:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Number 29: both previous Cavanagh refs included page numbers in their names. Circeus ( talk) 04:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a seedling in a pot here - I took some seeds to see if it would grow on the east coast as it is such a colonizer - the sedling has cotyledon leaves plus two more. Wanna photo?
Also, I heard Kerosene Bush as another name for it. Cheers, Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is well-sourced and in good shape. There is, however, a citation needed tag after the sentence "These were subsequently republished in Charles Gardner's 1935 West Australian Wild Flowers, but the text did not cover cultivation." Anyone have a source for this? Firsfron of Ronchester 21:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Ucucha 01:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking good so far--I'll give the article a thorough read, fix any small issues I find, and come back here with any concerns. Ucucha 01:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll come back later with a few more general comments (if any). Ucucha 01:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Ucucha 02:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Both have been resolved, so I am now passing this as a GA—it's certainly a great introduction to this plant. Some further comments that don't have a bearing on GA status:
Ucucha 13:21, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This is an interesting case. The reliably sourced facts before us are:
Both facts are relevant to the article. Both facts are intimately related to each other. It makes sense to present this as "Abbott says... but Moore says...."; but there a danger, as we're all aware, of making a novel synthesis: putting these two facts together and implying a conclusion that neither source supports. My concern was that the "Abbott says... but Moore says...." sentence can be read as "Abbott says... but Abbott is wrong." I spent ages wording and rewording to try to avoid any hint that we are laying blame for the contradiction. In the end I decided to cut the Gordian knot by more or less explitly stating that we aren't taking a position. That is what the "It is unclear... " sentence does. No, there is no source for it. If it has to go, it has to go, but I still say that in its absense the paragraph will read as though we are faulting Abbott. Hesperian 00:33, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
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