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Interestingly, with a 15 metre rise in sea levels, Banks Peninsula would be an island ;) - Gobeirne ( talk) 21:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
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The cleanup reason in the tag for the History section is given as "unprofessional". What is meant by this reason? Unprofessional is a redirect to " work behavior", which doesn't explain what is wrong. Neither does " Professional" offer any particular insights. If the editors concerned meant the section lacked citations then they should have specifically said so. If something else was wrong then they should have explained the problem. Because "unprofessional" is such a vague term, I don't know what problem(s) need(s) to be addressed. The plain English writing style generally seems OK to me, so I can only conclude the basic problem is a lack of citations for each statement. If there are other issues then these should be explicitly tagged with in-line cleanup tags in the places where they are observed. Otherwise I remain confused. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 03:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
In the section about the Bays the order of the bays of Banks Peninsula seems to be clockwise from North to South, starting with Port Levy, but this is unstated. As a consequence Lyttelton Harbour is misplaced, while Sumner Bay and Taylor's Mistake are omitted. The heading for Akaroa contains a superflous "and", which suggests this list of section sub-headings have been compiled from an earlier list or text. It also suggests the article is focused more on perhaps an artificial political rather than natural geographic boundary. What are we talking about here? A natural geographic feature or a political community of interest. I have always considered the Port Hills part of Banks Peninsula as they have been formed by part of the same geological mechanisms. From the north Pegasus Bay sweeps into Scarborough Hill, but Shag Rock at the mouth of the Estuary marks the coastal transition from flat plains to the north and west to the volcanic peninsular to the south and east. Also, now that I mention it, Moncks Bay and McCormacks Bay in the Estuary perhaps could also be on the list. Before I charge in and make too many changes, does anyone have other opinions? - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 22:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
The statement that the Summit Road was "Built in the 1930s, the road is in two sections ..." could be misinterpreted that it was built in 2 sections. This would be dubious misinterpretation that needs further explanation. The road wasn't built that way, and isn't really just in 2 sections. If a section is taken as the portion of road between the access intersections of the roading network, then there is a section between Evans Pass and Godley Head - the Lighthouse road - which is a dead-end section that for a long time was not considered part of the Summit Road. Then there is a short section from Evans Pass to Mount Pleasant road; then a section past Sugarloaf to the Dyers Pass road intersection, then a section between Dyers Pass and Gebbies Pass; lastly a section around the Peninsular Summits at the heads of the various Bays. While it might now be split into two sections for touring convenience, each part of the road was built separately. To say everything was built in the 1930's is somewhat misleading. Bits and pieces were built earlier, with the Sumner Road over Evans pass commencing construction in 1849. Although joining the bits up mostly happened in the 1930's and that is a story that needs to be expanded on. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 05:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
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I have added Diamond Harbour to the list of towns but taking a geo-physical viewpoint, the article should also include Lyttleton. The opening para makes it clear that the article is about the geographical entity rather than the previous political entity and, with that definition in mind, Lyttleton is clearly within Banks Peninsula. Any views ? Velella Velella Talk 19:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Velella. My thoughts too about Cashmere and all the hill suburbs that face north. I will try checking on whether there are references that put them on Banks Peninsula or somewhere else. My hunch is that many people would say the Hill suburbs are on the peninsula. I am not sure where else they would be. The Port Hills? But they are on the peninsula? Yes, the political devide is along the top which may lead many people to say the Hill suburbs are only in Christchurch city. DerbyCounty..I don't know what qualifications Rod Donald had but the comments were written by the trust not him. I am also not too sure if there is anything about the definition, geographically, that needs a geography expert - the difference between the non-grantite flat land around and the volcanic based raised land next to it is so sharp it forms a very distinct and unmistakeable boundary. In any case, Olgilvy is propably a slightly better source than the Trust, and it is the sources that will determine what is and what is not Banks Peninsula, but like with many local articles getting top grade RSSs may not be easy. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 08:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
How come the definite article "the" is omitted before Banks Peninsula in this article? As far as I know, all peninsulas should have the definite article "the" written before their name. There are plenty of sources, including local NZ sources, which use "the Banks Peninsula" instead of just "Banks Peninsula", so I think the omission of the definite article "the" before Banks Peninsula is controversial and not universally agreed.
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In what appears to be a coincidence, the same issue has just come up here. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 13:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
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Interestingly, with a 15 metre rise in sea levels, Banks Peninsula would be an island ;) - Gobeirne ( talk) 21:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
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The cleanup reason in the tag for the History section is given as "unprofessional". What is meant by this reason? Unprofessional is a redirect to " work behavior", which doesn't explain what is wrong. Neither does " Professional" offer any particular insights. If the editors concerned meant the section lacked citations then they should have specifically said so. If something else was wrong then they should have explained the problem. Because "unprofessional" is such a vague term, I don't know what problem(s) need(s) to be addressed. The plain English writing style generally seems OK to me, so I can only conclude the basic problem is a lack of citations for each statement. If there are other issues then these should be explicitly tagged with in-line cleanup tags in the places where they are observed. Otherwise I remain confused. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 03:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
In the section about the Bays the order of the bays of Banks Peninsula seems to be clockwise from North to South, starting with Port Levy, but this is unstated. As a consequence Lyttelton Harbour is misplaced, while Sumner Bay and Taylor's Mistake are omitted. The heading for Akaroa contains a superflous "and", which suggests this list of section sub-headings have been compiled from an earlier list or text. It also suggests the article is focused more on perhaps an artificial political rather than natural geographic boundary. What are we talking about here? A natural geographic feature or a political community of interest. I have always considered the Port Hills part of Banks Peninsula as they have been formed by part of the same geological mechanisms. From the north Pegasus Bay sweeps into Scarborough Hill, but Shag Rock at the mouth of the Estuary marks the coastal transition from flat plains to the north and west to the volcanic peninsular to the south and east. Also, now that I mention it, Moncks Bay and McCormacks Bay in the Estuary perhaps could also be on the list. Before I charge in and make too many changes, does anyone have other opinions? - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 22:57, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
The statement that the Summit Road was "Built in the 1930s, the road is in two sections ..." could be misinterpreted that it was built in 2 sections. This would be dubious misinterpretation that needs further explanation. The road wasn't built that way, and isn't really just in 2 sections. If a section is taken as the portion of road between the access intersections of the roading network, then there is a section between Evans Pass and Godley Head - the Lighthouse road - which is a dead-end section that for a long time was not considered part of the Summit Road. Then there is a short section from Evans Pass to Mount Pleasant road; then a section past Sugarloaf to the Dyers Pass road intersection, then a section between Dyers Pass and Gebbies Pass; lastly a section around the Peninsular Summits at the heads of the various Bays. While it might now be split into two sections for touring convenience, each part of the road was built separately. To say everything was built in the 1930's is somewhat misleading. Bits and pieces were built earlier, with the Sumner Road over Evans pass commencing construction in 1849. Although joining the bits up mostly happened in the 1930's and that is a story that needs to be expanded on. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 05:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
A note to editors when providing information about locations mentioned in this article. The brief descriptions provided here are summaries. If a location is wiki-linked to another article that is specifically about a particular location please add your information about that location in that linked article, rather than here, because that will minimize the risk of duplicating information. You might even find the information there, already. If you think the description should be modified to include the information you wish to add, please consult the Manual of Style, first. Pay attention to the guidelines for writing lead sections, particularly the first sentence. Avoid adding trivial information. If the change is substantial then explain it on the talk page.
For places that do not have their own article; please remember your information needs to be written in an encyclopedic style and you should be able to cite your source(s). Additionally, consider how important the information is, before adding it into an encyclopedia article. Often the information will be relatively trivial, so it might be more appropriate, and more useful, being added to a travel guide such as Wikivoyage. Signage in a locality with statements like Private property, No camping, No pets, No fires permitted, Keep off the Grass, Walk on the Path. or Park in designated area ONLY. are able to be cited. Use an appropriate template. However, such signage contains instructions, which are not encyclopedic statements. Consider rephrasing such information in a more encyclopedic way, as more neutral facts, such as Access to the beach, which is across private land to the water's edge, is restricted to pedestrian using the designated path. or The land-owners impose behaviour restrictions on visitors that prohibit fires, camping, pets and limit vehicle parking to the carpark. In any case, the information added needs to result in a non-trivial, verifiable and informative summary about a location, so cite your reliable sources, too. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 06:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I have added Diamond Harbour to the list of towns but taking a geo-physical viewpoint, the article should also include Lyttleton. The opening para makes it clear that the article is about the geographical entity rather than the previous political entity and, with that definition in mind, Lyttleton is clearly within Banks Peninsula. Any views ? Velella Velella Talk 19:15, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Velella. My thoughts too about Cashmere and all the hill suburbs that face north. I will try checking on whether there are references that put them on Banks Peninsula or somewhere else. My hunch is that many people would say the Hill suburbs are on the peninsula. I am not sure where else they would be. The Port Hills? But they are on the peninsula? Yes, the political devide is along the top which may lead many people to say the Hill suburbs are only in Christchurch city. DerbyCounty..I don't know what qualifications Rod Donald had but the comments were written by the trust not him. I am also not too sure if there is anything about the definition, geographically, that needs a geography expert - the difference between the non-grantite flat land around and the volcanic based raised land next to it is so sharp it forms a very distinct and unmistakeable boundary. In any case, Olgilvy is propably a slightly better source than the Trust, and it is the sources that will determine what is and what is not Banks Peninsula, but like with many local articles getting top grade RSSs may not be easy. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 08:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
How come the definite article "the" is omitted before Banks Peninsula in this article? As far as I know, all peninsulas should have the definite article "the" written before their name. There are plenty of sources, including local NZ sources, which use "the Banks Peninsula" instead of just "Banks Peninsula", so I think the omission of the definite article "the" before Banks Peninsula is controversial and not universally agreed.
Sources:
In what appears to be a coincidence, the same issue has just come up here. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 13:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)