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Just a quick question, is it possible to obtain arial Maps of villages in Bangladesh via the internet.
Early Civilization in Bangladesh
The short passage on early civilization in Bangladesh mentions evidence of Buddhist monasteries from around 700 BC. If, however, the life of Buddha and the subsequent rise of Buddhism as a movement are to be dated around 500 BC (as the page on Siddharta Gautama maintains), this claim is blatantly false.
The History of Bangladesh page, on the other hand, begins its story at the arrival of Islam, so it is of little help here.
"The initial seeds of Independence was sown by the
Language Movement of 1952" is a controversial statement if not false.
HRCBM link is a famous anti Bangladeshi propaganda site. And Shold be removed for NPOV.
Restored Jamaat's internal and external links. All parties should be fairly judged.
The arsenic problem in Bangladesh has been reported in a number of forums, most recently in the New York Times of July 14, 2002 at http://query.nytimes.com/search/abstract?res=F30C10FB34540C778DDDAE0894DA404482 User:Fredbauder
Could someone please add the full name of Bangladesh (similar to People's Republic of Bangladesh?) in Bengali to the top of the table, preferably in both the Bengali script and its romanisation? Thanks. -Scipius 17:04 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I don't know much about the Bengali language, but I attempted to assemble a Romanization of the script on the page, and came up with gan prajātantrī bānglādesh. Does anyone want to verify this as correct or acceptable? Gus 02:20, 2004 Mar 26 (UTC)
I added links to some materials underscoring Bangladesh's corruption; I think it's important to understand the dimensions of that corruption to fully understand modern B-desh. Robinsloan
What does the following sentence say:
"political motivations" caused a division? What does that mean? — iFaqeer | Talk to me! 00:22, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
It certainly is odd. The obvious reason for a division between Hindu and Muslim is religion, not politics. If the writer is denying that he should justify it.
He refers to the "divide-and-rule" notion of the British, I believe. I think the sentences is badly worded. What he tries to mean, I think, is:
The division was done on the basis of religion but there was a political motive to devide, i.e. the people didn't break it up themselves due to religious differences.
Does that sound right?
So what's the deal with the recent editing of the infobox? Almost every day there is a switch between the two versions, which incidentally look almost identical...
Whilst editing ISO 3166-2:BD I came across reference to the divisions being called bibhag and the districts zila but I can find no mention of this either in this article or any related article. Is this an oversight or a conscious decision, or is my source simply incorrect? -- Phil | Talk 15:37, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
Not to antagonize the good people of Cox's Bazar, but the claim that they have the world's longest natural beach is very much in dispute. Accordingly, I have modified that sentence in the article. Kelisi 02:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why is it a problem to say "is often claimed to be the longest"? Is it non-factual to say that people claim it to be such? I really don't like the "albeit erroneously" at all. Doesn't the "often claimed" say pretty clearly that it is just that; a claim, and not even a claim that everyone that lives or is associated with the place makes? — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:57, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
Its odd that there have been changes of this kind without due reasons. the Article is correct as it is now, neutral ;based on facts.Bashing of Political figures is unwarranted and historically inncorrect info has been immensely used now and again.please refrain from voicing your opinions in the articles and pay attention to the topic at hand in the Article;which by the way is an intro to Bagladesh to those who dont know it.Also it seems writers from either side of political rivals in Bangladesh the AL and BNP are character assasinating either Mujib or Ziaur Rahamn.It would be inappropriate not to include each of their pros and cons but it can be done in a more neutral manner try some appropriate use of words.-- Quincy123 05:16, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I totally agree with you as far as the character assassination goes but the article is still far from neutral even now Although better than before and not historically vague as we have seen previous versions but consider the following: To worsen the situation Mujib in January 1975 introduces BAKSAL, a Mujib loyalist paramilitary, in order to reinforce his dictatorship. BAKSAL replaced the multi-party parliamentary democracy, banned independent newspapers, and demolished civil rights. Thousands of opposition political leaders were killed and abducted by the BAKSAL and most of them abductees never returned.
this could use some factual evidence and a change of words.If you recommend any.
Also figures of death tolls or massacres or genocide in 1971 are not matched by any reliable source so should do away with that.-- Herst1 05:37, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Time and again Anonymous Contributors forget that this is an encyclopedia. I guess they should look at one at home or buy one before they consider editing here.I dont mean to discourage anyone but yes this particular article has seen some wild changes all too often ,especially in its historical portions.I assume people are not all too happy with the display but regardless of how one feels it has to be neutral besides, this and many other articles based on countries are introductory to the Country,there is absolutely no need to deliberately add into them debateable topics.for example: 1.5 War of independence, if it already has a link Bangladesh Liberation War then I hardly see any reason to make additions or deletions here simply follow the link and simply rid the article of prelude to liberation war and International involvement in war as this article is only as you said introductory to Bangladesh and details can be viewed in the said link.Dont put them here.-- Sheikhu 05:56, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I tried to make some appropriate changes but I guess our anonymous friend has struck back.I see it will be difficult to work with this kind of attitude I leave it to Urnonav to do the appropriate and yes we should write here what changes are to be done before they r done !!-- Quincy123 06:12, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This page has been protected due to the request at Wikipedia:Requests_for_protection#Bangladesh. If you feel this page his been protected in error, please post the reason on the request page. -- Ji ang 04:23, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I somehow feel that the History section has become too monolothic .... too long and unorganized. It would be better if it was broken into smaller section. On a personal note, I can never have the attention or interest to read any section as long as this one, and I believe most people would feel the same. So the history section should be re-subsectioned. What's the opinion of others? -- Ragib 02:39, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Inclusion of all the universities in BD into this section beats the purpose of the article. I think only the notable one's should be included there, not each and every one of them. With all due respect, some of the names included are not even notable in Bangladesh. This is an intro to Bangladesh and not a directory listing. So if the list seems necessary, it should be placed into its own article ... Universities in Bangladesh. Otherwise, the main article would become unncessarily cluttered. -- Ragib 23:58, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A controversy has erupted over the choice of map for this article. The two candidates are shown here, along with any others that other Wikipedians may choose to enter. Feel free to make any comments. The lower map may also appear in the corresponding Geography article for this country. Kelisi 02:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think that the links to webportals and directories should be removed. These are not sources of more information but instead Wikipedia is being used to publicise commericial sites. There is no reason why Wikipedia should bear links to sites that do not supplement what we are trying to do - provide objective information on matters. -- Urnonav 23:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
In the history section, a recent edit was made. I seem to smell a bit of POV in this entire section. I believe the issue with Ziaur Rahman's declaration being on the 27th is based on a shaky argument and I have yet not seen any reference backing this up. True, the declaration wasn't heard by anyone as it was made but it was made on the 26th from the books and records I have seen so far. Also, the section tends to potray the Mukti Bahini as a rather useless group that made these so-called "harassing attacks" and mainly provided intelligence to some invisible Indian Army! (Note that Indian Army didn't join the War until 3 December 1971 while Mukti Bahini was on the scene from pretty much day one!) Since there is a partially complete article on Bangladesh Liberation War, I would suggest reducing the details here to a bare minimum and referring readers to the full article. -- Urnonav 16:38, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I propose the whole sports section be moved to "Sports in Bangladesh". According to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries, the top page for a country profile should not contain too much in detail about any subsection topic. So, the contents should be moved to Sports in Bangladesh. I am moving it there, let me know if there is a problem with that so we can revert if necessary. Right now, the whole article is too much bloated, and becoming a book rather than an encyclopedia article. -- Ragib 06:41, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I have notice that in the Spanish Wikipedia (taken from Commons) there is a better picture of the Bangladeshi COA. It can be found here: [3]. The problem is that there is already a picture with that name here in wiki-en. Anybody knowns how to change it? Messhermit 16:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I support the previous concerns expressed abt Buddhist Monasteries in Bangladesh. I think the Buddhist Monastaries we have are from around 700AD, not BC. There is good reason to believe a civilaziation in 700 BC in Bangaldesh (e.g, the recently discovered paved road from 500BC), but existence of Buddisth monastaries is not one of those.
Another alternative is to remove the "monastery" reference, apart from that the statement is quite true.
The map of Bangladesh in the subcontinent is shown rather poorly, almost as if there was another country with a different appearance. I suggest that someone change it to the real bangladesh shape.-- Idleguy 14:28, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
I'm a bit uncomfortable with the sentence:
It's true enough that such claims are "unsubstantiated", but that seems a weak thread to hang the description on. Especially when you consider some other genocides of post-WWII history: Rwanda, Cambodia, East Timor, which are (horribly) of even greater magnitude. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 05:45, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)
Several users have added links to websites claimed to be "Web Portals" of particular topics. Since this is an encyclopedia and not a website directory, I propose to clean the article of these commercial websites. The article in my opinion should only point out to Government websites, and or relevant organizations. Thanks. -- Ragib 04:34, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Adding lots of details on Indo-Pakistani war of 1971 here is not correct, please add that to Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 or Bangladesh Liberation War. The History section here should include summaries only, not details of engagement. Thanks. -- Ragib 03:53, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The number of external links is too much. Most other top level country articles do not have so many links. I propose removing them from here. Thanks. -- Ragib 09:26, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The unemployment rate for Bangladesh is currently listed at 3.6%. This seems far too low. [4] -- Dcfleck July 2, 2005 14:42 (UTC)
This article is of poor quality. I think it needs to be improved considerably by editors. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:52, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
There were too many transliteration, some of them opposite to official Bangladesh Govt Usage. For example, someone transliterated "Zilla" into "Jela", which is completely uncommon usage. Similarly, Upazila is used in Bangladesh, not Upo-Jela. Besides, it makes the article completely unreadable if every word or place name is transliterated. So, I am changing it back to the status-quo. (Also another note: Chittagong may be called Chattagram in Bangla, but Chat-Ga is a completely obsolete usage. That was used about 40-50 years ago, and gone into obsolescence since). -- Ragib 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
The article Grameen Bank is currently nominated on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for this article if you want to contribute! -- Fenice 12:10, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
Recently it has been brought to my attention that SMR was actually an Indian agent whose job was to orchestrate and ensure the breaking away of East Pakistan from West Pakistan. It has been alleged that SMR never would have won the elections, had Indian spies not stuffed a lot of ballot boxes for him or had not had them stuffed by poor poll station staff by paying them off. It seems that the Indians had a win win situation on their hands: If Pakistan hands over government to SMR, India takes over Pakistan by proxy through SMR in control of Pakistani government. If Pakistan refuses to hand over government to SMR, SMR gets a nice clean excuse to declare independence from Pakistan. Either way, India succeeds in damaging Pakistan. What say you to this conspiracy theory? Sir Toby Belch 09:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC) (Note: I did not pull this theory out from my you know what, people are really claiming that this is what really happened))
I'm somewhat amused at the different attempts that still go on after long 35 years to "justify" the defeat of West Pakistan in 1971. Sheikh Mujib had everything to gain from Indian help, and he may have taken it. However, that doesn't make him an Indian agent ... unless you call every leader of Pakistan an American/CIA agent. The logic behind your conspiracy theory is laughable, so I won't dwell on that. Yahya Khan tried Sheikh Mujib and others on the same conspiracy charge (The Agartala Conspiracy Case), and Sheikh Mujib was freed on all counts. That was during Pakistan period!! Besides, you are not aware of the huge popularity of Awami League at that time. Finally, I'm really curious about the inability of Pakistanis to this day to accept the defeat ... hey we Bengalis didn't want to be oppressed, sidelined, so we elected our own government .... whether that helped India or not wasn't really a matter in consideration. The Army didn't gave us power, and started killing people, and the war commenced. What is unclear about the whole issue? -- Ragib 14:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Let's make this Featured article. Neighbouring South Asian countries' articles already are. So let's get cracking. I've done a few things to the intro. Idleguy 11:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
The best way to provide pronunciation of a name is to give an [[IPA] (International phonetic Alphabet). Providing a whole paragraph for this is redundant, anyone interested can clearly see the IPA notation at the top of the page. So, please don't add non-standard bloat to the article. Thanks. -- Ragib 05:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Almost all foreign / non-native speakers pronounces the word "Bangla" like the word "Bang". Meaning of "Bang" is not good. But the main point is that ... "Bangla" is getting pronounced wrongly. That is the reason i've added the correct pronunciation words, which should be pronounced by all and correctly.
Tarikash 05:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from wikipedia member "Ragib" : I disagree. The better way (see India) is to use International Phonetic Alphabet. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from wikipedia member "Ragib" : I added the IPA notation to the articles concerned. (IPA: /'bɑːŋlɑːðɛʃ/). This is the standard way to give pronunciation of non-English names. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Are you saying ... foreigners / non-native speakers are pronouncing the word "Bangla" like in "Bangladesh" and language "Bangla" correctly ?
Then you're absolutely wrong. It is not easy for them to grasp quickly.
And i think you're misunderstanding why i've added that paragraph. i want the pronunciation to be clear to all foreign / non-native speakers, by giving reference to the correct words.
If you want, you are very welcome to include a better or more correct pronunciation reference words. So others know the correct pronunciation.
05:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from Wikipedia member "Ragib" : There is the IPA (International phonetic alphabet) for doing exactly the same thing as you are looking for. Please look into that, instead of adding non-standard text into articles. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Please add a paragraph where, pronunciation of "Bangladesh" or "Bangla" is done correctly by using regular, commonly used words, which can be understood by most regular foreigners / non-native speakers, very easily.
-05:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from Wikipedia member "Ragib" : As I said, the IPA notation is there. Don't make the article bloated. Top level country pages are summaries, you don't need to add redundant text. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm including those paragraphs here, if anyone wants, can correct it.
Below paragraph is for "Bangladesh" page :
Actual pronunciation of "Bangladesh" is ... bäng-lä-desh ("Bung-laa-day-sh"), letter "a" in the "Bang" is pronounced like the word "
Bungalow"(single story house), or like the letter "a" in the words "
art" or "fathar". "La" is pronounced like the beginning of the word "
Lunch" or "
Lava". And the letter "e" in the "desh" is pronounced like the "e" in the words "
end" or "met".
Below paragraph is for "Bengali Language" Page :
Actual pronunciation of the word "Bangla" is ... bäng-lä ("Bung-laa") ... letter "a" in the "Bang" is pronounced like the beginning of the word "
Bungalow"(single story house), or like the letter "a" in the words "art" or "fathar". "La" is pronounced like the beginning of the word "
Lunch" or "
Lava".
-Tarikash 06:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
And i'm requesting/warning to you(Wikipedia member: Ragib), please do not dis-include my changes. If there is a better or similar paragraph with same content, then my paragraph is not needed, otherwise simply, please do not dis-iclude my paragraph. If you dis-include, your action will be considered vandalism by wikipedia. 06:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Continuing after our previous conversation (Tarikash
(Talk), Ragib
(Talk), Bangladesh
(Talk), Bengali Lanuage
(Talk)) ... IPA characters are not visible in IE(Internet Explorer) unless you have modified it to use
unicode fonts, no regular user knows how to do that. So more than 70% people on internet cannot see many characters used in the IPA/unicode, instead they see a ractangular blank box in that character place, that is why we need to explain things in another alternative way. To make a clear conception of correct pronunciation, using example of different words, as well as IPA, is completely fine, and in my opinion, even better. Using only
IPA, doesn't clarify the pronunciation. When all browser software will be totally unicode compatible and all users starts to use that type of browser then IPA alone may be enough.
-
Tarikash 10:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Many doesn't know how to
interpret
IPA into pronounceable words, that is why
dictionary, and we still use
reference to commonly known easy words, to make the word pronunciation easy and
correct.
-
Tarikash 10:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
"The garment industry now employs almost 40% of the female population." -- this does not ring true. Or does it mean that 40% of the EMPLOYED women are in garments? Even that doesn't sound true to me. -- ppm 19:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Without disturbing the existing ones, have added a map of Bangladesh with Rail and Road links. Suggestions (spelling, region, etc.) welcome. -- ΜιĿː talk 11:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
a new map with just the regions is required. no names of small cities etc. maximum the state capitals if required. something on the lines of those that exist in India or Nepal articles. A new reader would find it confusing to make out the regions of Nepal. I'd do it but I'm not into imaging etc. Idleguy 05:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
also added a peer review request to improve this article. see top of page. Wanted to inform editors involved in this article to try and make this FA. Idleguy 06:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Being a native Bengali speaker, I find it strange to argue with David Matthews ( talk · contribs) on the meaning of Bangladesh. Desh means country. Bhumi means land. Bangladesh is not called Bongo-bhumi. If you need any more information on the translation, let me know, but other than that, please don't add a wrong translation of the country's name. Thanks. -- Ragib 02:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
"Dhaka became an important provincial center of Mughal administration as the seat of the Nawab. The Bengali ethnic and linguistic identity probably crystallized during this period" -- Doubtful. The Sultan's if Bengal such as Giyasuddin Ajam Shah played a crucial role, as did the Palas in "crystalizing" the Bengali identity. -- ppm 17:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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Just a quick question, is it possible to obtain arial Maps of villages in Bangladesh via the internet.
Early Civilization in Bangladesh
The short passage on early civilization in Bangladesh mentions evidence of Buddhist monasteries from around 700 BC. If, however, the life of Buddha and the subsequent rise of Buddhism as a movement are to be dated around 500 BC (as the page on Siddharta Gautama maintains), this claim is blatantly false.
The History of Bangladesh page, on the other hand, begins its story at the arrival of Islam, so it is of little help here.
"The initial seeds of Independence was sown by the
Language Movement of 1952" is a controversial statement if not false.
HRCBM link is a famous anti Bangladeshi propaganda site. And Shold be removed for NPOV.
Restored Jamaat's internal and external links. All parties should be fairly judged.
The arsenic problem in Bangladesh has been reported in a number of forums, most recently in the New York Times of July 14, 2002 at http://query.nytimes.com/search/abstract?res=F30C10FB34540C778DDDAE0894DA404482 User:Fredbauder
Could someone please add the full name of Bangladesh (similar to People's Republic of Bangladesh?) in Bengali to the top of the table, preferably in both the Bengali script and its romanisation? Thanks. -Scipius 17:04 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I don't know much about the Bengali language, but I attempted to assemble a Romanization of the script on the page, and came up with gan prajātantrī bānglādesh. Does anyone want to verify this as correct or acceptable? Gus 02:20, 2004 Mar 26 (UTC)
I added links to some materials underscoring Bangladesh's corruption; I think it's important to understand the dimensions of that corruption to fully understand modern B-desh. Robinsloan
What does the following sentence say:
"political motivations" caused a division? What does that mean? — iFaqeer | Talk to me! 00:22, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
It certainly is odd. The obvious reason for a division between Hindu and Muslim is religion, not politics. If the writer is denying that he should justify it.
He refers to the "divide-and-rule" notion of the British, I believe. I think the sentences is badly worded. What he tries to mean, I think, is:
The division was done on the basis of religion but there was a political motive to devide, i.e. the people didn't break it up themselves due to religious differences.
Does that sound right?
So what's the deal with the recent editing of the infobox? Almost every day there is a switch between the two versions, which incidentally look almost identical...
Whilst editing ISO 3166-2:BD I came across reference to the divisions being called bibhag and the districts zila but I can find no mention of this either in this article or any related article. Is this an oversight or a conscious decision, or is my source simply incorrect? -- Phil | Talk 15:37, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
Not to antagonize the good people of Cox's Bazar, but the claim that they have the world's longest natural beach is very much in dispute. Accordingly, I have modified that sentence in the article. Kelisi 02:54, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why is it a problem to say "is often claimed to be the longest"? Is it non-factual to say that people claim it to be such? I really don't like the "albeit erroneously" at all. Doesn't the "often claimed" say pretty clearly that it is just that; a claim, and not even a claim that everyone that lives or is associated with the place makes? — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:57, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
Its odd that there have been changes of this kind without due reasons. the Article is correct as it is now, neutral ;based on facts.Bashing of Political figures is unwarranted and historically inncorrect info has been immensely used now and again.please refrain from voicing your opinions in the articles and pay attention to the topic at hand in the Article;which by the way is an intro to Bagladesh to those who dont know it.Also it seems writers from either side of political rivals in Bangladesh the AL and BNP are character assasinating either Mujib or Ziaur Rahamn.It would be inappropriate not to include each of their pros and cons but it can be done in a more neutral manner try some appropriate use of words.-- Quincy123 05:16, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I totally agree with you as far as the character assassination goes but the article is still far from neutral even now Although better than before and not historically vague as we have seen previous versions but consider the following: To worsen the situation Mujib in January 1975 introduces BAKSAL, a Mujib loyalist paramilitary, in order to reinforce his dictatorship. BAKSAL replaced the multi-party parliamentary democracy, banned independent newspapers, and demolished civil rights. Thousands of opposition political leaders were killed and abducted by the BAKSAL and most of them abductees never returned.
this could use some factual evidence and a change of words.If you recommend any.
Also figures of death tolls or massacres or genocide in 1971 are not matched by any reliable source so should do away with that.-- Herst1 05:37, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Time and again Anonymous Contributors forget that this is an encyclopedia. I guess they should look at one at home or buy one before they consider editing here.I dont mean to discourage anyone but yes this particular article has seen some wild changes all too often ,especially in its historical portions.I assume people are not all too happy with the display but regardless of how one feels it has to be neutral besides, this and many other articles based on countries are introductory to the Country,there is absolutely no need to deliberately add into them debateable topics.for example: 1.5 War of independence, if it already has a link Bangladesh Liberation War then I hardly see any reason to make additions or deletions here simply follow the link and simply rid the article of prelude to liberation war and International involvement in war as this article is only as you said introductory to Bangladesh and details can be viewed in the said link.Dont put them here.-- Sheikhu 05:56, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I tried to make some appropriate changes but I guess our anonymous friend has struck back.I see it will be difficult to work with this kind of attitude I leave it to Urnonav to do the appropriate and yes we should write here what changes are to be done before they r done !!-- Quincy123 06:12, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This page has been protected due to the request at Wikipedia:Requests_for_protection#Bangladesh. If you feel this page his been protected in error, please post the reason on the request page. -- Ji ang 04:23, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I somehow feel that the History section has become too monolothic .... too long and unorganized. It would be better if it was broken into smaller section. On a personal note, I can never have the attention or interest to read any section as long as this one, and I believe most people would feel the same. So the history section should be re-subsectioned. What's the opinion of others? -- Ragib 02:39, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Inclusion of all the universities in BD into this section beats the purpose of the article. I think only the notable one's should be included there, not each and every one of them. With all due respect, some of the names included are not even notable in Bangladesh. This is an intro to Bangladesh and not a directory listing. So if the list seems necessary, it should be placed into its own article ... Universities in Bangladesh. Otherwise, the main article would become unncessarily cluttered. -- Ragib 23:58, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A controversy has erupted over the choice of map for this article. The two candidates are shown here, along with any others that other Wikipedians may choose to enter. Feel free to make any comments. The lower map may also appear in the corresponding Geography article for this country. Kelisi 02:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think that the links to webportals and directories should be removed. These are not sources of more information but instead Wikipedia is being used to publicise commericial sites. There is no reason why Wikipedia should bear links to sites that do not supplement what we are trying to do - provide objective information on matters. -- Urnonav 23:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
In the history section, a recent edit was made. I seem to smell a bit of POV in this entire section. I believe the issue with Ziaur Rahman's declaration being on the 27th is based on a shaky argument and I have yet not seen any reference backing this up. True, the declaration wasn't heard by anyone as it was made but it was made on the 26th from the books and records I have seen so far. Also, the section tends to potray the Mukti Bahini as a rather useless group that made these so-called "harassing attacks" and mainly provided intelligence to some invisible Indian Army! (Note that Indian Army didn't join the War until 3 December 1971 while Mukti Bahini was on the scene from pretty much day one!) Since there is a partially complete article on Bangladesh Liberation War, I would suggest reducing the details here to a bare minimum and referring readers to the full article. -- Urnonav 16:38, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I propose the whole sports section be moved to "Sports in Bangladesh". According to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries, the top page for a country profile should not contain too much in detail about any subsection topic. So, the contents should be moved to Sports in Bangladesh. I am moving it there, let me know if there is a problem with that so we can revert if necessary. Right now, the whole article is too much bloated, and becoming a book rather than an encyclopedia article. -- Ragib 06:41, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I have notice that in the Spanish Wikipedia (taken from Commons) there is a better picture of the Bangladeshi COA. It can be found here: [3]. The problem is that there is already a picture with that name here in wiki-en. Anybody knowns how to change it? Messhermit 16:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I support the previous concerns expressed abt Buddhist Monasteries in Bangladesh. I think the Buddhist Monastaries we have are from around 700AD, not BC. There is good reason to believe a civilaziation in 700 BC in Bangaldesh (e.g, the recently discovered paved road from 500BC), but existence of Buddisth monastaries is not one of those.
Another alternative is to remove the "monastery" reference, apart from that the statement is quite true.
The map of Bangladesh in the subcontinent is shown rather poorly, almost as if there was another country with a different appearance. I suggest that someone change it to the real bangladesh shape.-- Idleguy 14:28, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
I'm a bit uncomfortable with the sentence:
It's true enough that such claims are "unsubstantiated", but that seems a weak thread to hang the description on. Especially when you consider some other genocides of post-WWII history: Rwanda, Cambodia, East Timor, which are (horribly) of even greater magnitude. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 05:45, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)
Several users have added links to websites claimed to be "Web Portals" of particular topics. Since this is an encyclopedia and not a website directory, I propose to clean the article of these commercial websites. The article in my opinion should only point out to Government websites, and or relevant organizations. Thanks. -- Ragib 04:34, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Adding lots of details on Indo-Pakistani war of 1971 here is not correct, please add that to Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 or Bangladesh Liberation War. The History section here should include summaries only, not details of engagement. Thanks. -- Ragib 03:53, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The number of external links is too much. Most other top level country articles do not have so many links. I propose removing them from here. Thanks. -- Ragib 09:26, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The unemployment rate for Bangladesh is currently listed at 3.6%. This seems far too low. [4] -- Dcfleck July 2, 2005 14:42 (UTC)
This article is of poor quality. I think it needs to be improved considerably by editors. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:52, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
There were too many transliteration, some of them opposite to official Bangladesh Govt Usage. For example, someone transliterated "Zilla" into "Jela", which is completely uncommon usage. Similarly, Upazila is used in Bangladesh, not Upo-Jela. Besides, it makes the article completely unreadable if every word or place name is transliterated. So, I am changing it back to the status-quo. (Also another note: Chittagong may be called Chattagram in Bangla, but Chat-Ga is a completely obsolete usage. That was used about 40-50 years ago, and gone into obsolescence since). -- Ragib 01:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
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Recently it has been brought to my attention that SMR was actually an Indian agent whose job was to orchestrate and ensure the breaking away of East Pakistan from West Pakistan. It has been alleged that SMR never would have won the elections, had Indian spies not stuffed a lot of ballot boxes for him or had not had them stuffed by poor poll station staff by paying them off. It seems that the Indians had a win win situation on their hands: If Pakistan hands over government to SMR, India takes over Pakistan by proxy through SMR in control of Pakistani government. If Pakistan refuses to hand over government to SMR, SMR gets a nice clean excuse to declare independence from Pakistan. Either way, India succeeds in damaging Pakistan. What say you to this conspiracy theory? Sir Toby Belch 09:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC) (Note: I did not pull this theory out from my you know what, people are really claiming that this is what really happened))
I'm somewhat amused at the different attempts that still go on after long 35 years to "justify" the defeat of West Pakistan in 1971. Sheikh Mujib had everything to gain from Indian help, and he may have taken it. However, that doesn't make him an Indian agent ... unless you call every leader of Pakistan an American/CIA agent. The logic behind your conspiracy theory is laughable, so I won't dwell on that. Yahya Khan tried Sheikh Mujib and others on the same conspiracy charge (The Agartala Conspiracy Case), and Sheikh Mujib was freed on all counts. That was during Pakistan period!! Besides, you are not aware of the huge popularity of Awami League at that time. Finally, I'm really curious about the inability of Pakistanis to this day to accept the defeat ... hey we Bengalis didn't want to be oppressed, sidelined, so we elected our own government .... whether that helped India or not wasn't really a matter in consideration. The Army didn't gave us power, and started killing people, and the war commenced. What is unclear about the whole issue? -- Ragib 14:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Let's make this Featured article. Neighbouring South Asian countries' articles already are. So let's get cracking. I've done a few things to the intro. Idleguy 11:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
The best way to provide pronunciation of a name is to give an [[IPA] (International phonetic Alphabet). Providing a whole paragraph for this is redundant, anyone interested can clearly see the IPA notation at the top of the page. So, please don't add non-standard bloat to the article. Thanks. -- Ragib 05:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Almost all foreign / non-native speakers pronounces the word "Bangla" like the word "Bang". Meaning of "Bang" is not good. But the main point is that ... "Bangla" is getting pronounced wrongly. That is the reason i've added the correct pronunciation words, which should be pronounced by all and correctly.
Tarikash 05:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from wikipedia member "Ragib" : I disagree. The better way (see India) is to use International Phonetic Alphabet. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from wikipedia member "Ragib" : I added the IPA notation to the articles concerned. (IPA: /'bɑːŋlɑːðɛʃ/). This is the standard way to give pronunciation of non-English names. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Are you saying ... foreigners / non-native speakers are pronouncing the word "Bangla" like in "Bangladesh" and language "Bangla" correctly ?
Then you're absolutely wrong. It is not easy for them to grasp quickly.
And i think you're misunderstanding why i've added that paragraph. i want the pronunciation to be clear to all foreign / non-native speakers, by giving reference to the correct words.
If you want, you are very welcome to include a better or more correct pronunciation reference words. So others know the correct pronunciation.
05:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from Wikipedia member "Ragib" : There is the IPA (International phonetic alphabet) for doing exactly the same thing as you are looking for. Please look into that, instead of adding non-standard text into articles. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Please add a paragraph where, pronunciation of "Bangladesh" or "Bangla" is done correctly by using regular, commonly used words, which can be understood by most regular foreigners / non-native speakers, very easily.
-05:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Response from Wikipedia member "Ragib" : As I said, the IPA notation is there. Don't make the article bloated. Top level country pages are summaries, you don't need to add redundant text. Thanks.
--Ragib 05:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm including those paragraphs here, if anyone wants, can correct it.
Below paragraph is for "Bangladesh" page :
Actual pronunciation of "Bangladesh" is ... bäng-lä-desh ("Bung-laa-day-sh"), letter "a" in the "Bang" is pronounced like the word "
Bungalow"(single story house), or like the letter "a" in the words "
art" or "fathar". "La" is pronounced like the beginning of the word "
Lunch" or "
Lava". And the letter "e" in the "desh" is pronounced like the "e" in the words "
end" or "met".
Below paragraph is for "Bengali Language" Page :
Actual pronunciation of the word "Bangla" is ... bäng-lä ("Bung-laa") ... letter "a" in the "Bang" is pronounced like the beginning of the word "
Bungalow"(single story house), or like the letter "a" in the words "art" or "fathar". "La" is pronounced like the beginning of the word "
Lunch" or "
Lava".
-Tarikash 06:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
And i'm requesting/warning to you(Wikipedia member: Ragib), please do not dis-include my changes. If there is a better or similar paragraph with same content, then my paragraph is not needed, otherwise simply, please do not dis-iclude my paragraph. If you dis-include, your action will be considered vandalism by wikipedia. 06:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Continuing after our previous conversation (Tarikash
(Talk), Ragib
(Talk), Bangladesh
(Talk), Bengali Lanuage
(Talk)) ... IPA characters are not visible in IE(Internet Explorer) unless you have modified it to use
unicode fonts, no regular user knows how to do that. So more than 70% people on internet cannot see many characters used in the IPA/unicode, instead they see a ractangular blank box in that character place, that is why we need to explain things in another alternative way. To make a clear conception of correct pronunciation, using example of different words, as well as IPA, is completely fine, and in my opinion, even better. Using only
IPA, doesn't clarify the pronunciation. When all browser software will be totally unicode compatible and all users starts to use that type of browser then IPA alone may be enough.
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Tarikash 10:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Many doesn't know how to
interpret
IPA into pronounceable words, that is why
dictionary, and we still use
reference to commonly known easy words, to make the word pronunciation easy and
correct.
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Tarikash 10:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
"The garment industry now employs almost 40% of the female population." -- this does not ring true. Or does it mean that 40% of the EMPLOYED women are in garments? Even that doesn't sound true to me. -- ppm 19:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Without disturbing the existing ones, have added a map of Bangladesh with Rail and Road links. Suggestions (spelling, region, etc.) welcome. -- ΜιĿː talk 11:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
a new map with just the regions is required. no names of small cities etc. maximum the state capitals if required. something on the lines of those that exist in India or Nepal articles. A new reader would find it confusing to make out the regions of Nepal. I'd do it but I'm not into imaging etc. Idleguy 05:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
also added a peer review request to improve this article. see top of page. Wanted to inform editors involved in this article to try and make this FA. Idleguy 06:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Being a native Bengali speaker, I find it strange to argue with David Matthews ( talk · contribs) on the meaning of Bangladesh. Desh means country. Bhumi means land. Bangladesh is not called Bongo-bhumi. If you need any more information on the translation, let me know, but other than that, please don't add a wrong translation of the country's name. Thanks. -- Ragib 02:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
"Dhaka became an important provincial center of Mughal administration as the seat of the Nawab. The Bengali ethnic and linguistic identity probably crystallized during this period" -- Doubtful. The Sultan's if Bengal such as Giyasuddin Ajam Shah played a crucial role, as did the Palas in "crystalizing" the Bengali identity. -- ppm 17:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)