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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Nobody but the proponent is convinced that Bangerz (album) is now the primary meaning of Bangerz. There is already a DAB page at Bangers (disambiguation). At editorial discretion, the name Bangerz might be redirected to Bangers (disambiguation) instead of its current target. That was the recommendation of 76.65.128.222 but the others did not comment on that idea. Google hits suggest that 'banger' may be commonly used in the sense of "A slang term for a good high-energy, pumping, dance music song" which is one of the meanings listed in Banger (disambiguation). EdJohnston ( talk) 01:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Bangerz (album) →
Bangerz – Currently, this title redirects to
The Bangerz, which until Miley announced the name of her album, was not pulling in many page views. I don't think there would be an issue with the group retaining their current "The Bangerz" title and Miley being given the plain "Bangerz" naming, and adding a hatnote on both articles in case they were looking for the other page.
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21:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
on the track list it says one song will feature britney spears, but theres no reference to support this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.192.165 ( talk) 21:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I think I found the album's official tracklist [1]. If someone wants to work it into the article they are welcome to do so (unless this is not a reliable source). Jinkinson ( talk) 15:13, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
1. "Adore You"
2. "We Can't Stop"
3. "SMS (Bangerz)" ft. Britney Spears
4. "4×4" feat. Nelly
5. "Stand By Me" ft. Future
6. "Wrecking Ball"
7. "Love, Money, Party" ft. Big Sean
8. "Get it Right"
9. "Drive"
10. "FU' feat. French Montana
11. "Do My Thang"
12. "Maybe You're Right" - please correct the spelling of the writer to "Camaron Ochs" - Thanks!
13. "Someone Else"
14. "On My Own"
15. "Rooting For My Baby"
16. "Hands In the Air" feat. Ludacris
R Miley Cyrus's 'Bangerz' Track List Leaks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grandox ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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"Maybe You're Right" - Please correct the spelling of the writer, Camaron Ochs (Camaron is spelled with an 'a', not Cameron). Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmarias22 ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Maybe You're Right - Add Tyler Sam Johnson (full name) instead of just 'Johnson'. His name is listed correctly under his additional production credit. Thank you! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmarias22 ( talk • contribs) 05:31, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Discounting the low-edit IP !votes (two in opposition, one in support), there is no clear consensus in favor of the proposed move, even after this discussion has stayed open for a month. bd2412 T 18:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Bangerz (album) → Bangerz – Yes, I am aware that a discussion was closed a little over a month ago, but my intention with this proposal is to have a better-populated discussion that just myself and the two additional editors we had last time. Anyways, as it stands, the plain title Bangerz redirects to The Bangerz, the logic behind which I question because they appear to be pretty obscure in comparison to a highly-anticipated project from a well-known mainstream celebrity. Miley's album has gotten 546,000 hits in the last three months, compared to a mere 3,300 for the group in the same time frame.
Responding to In ictu oculi's opposition the last time around, in which he felt that the term was ambiguous because it was used for various other purposes on Google Books, none of those other topics appear notable enough to have Wikipedia articles written on them, or they would likely already have been created. Not to mention, I did a quick search for " Blurred Lines" on Google Books, and not one result in the first three pages referenced the song, but we didn't have an issue establishing a primary topic here on Wikipedia, did we? Secondly, I disagree with the suggestion of redirecting the plain title to the disambiguation for Bangers, because the spelling with a "z" is used in only two articles on the English Wikipedia, and I doubt that anyone looking for one of the other results would be using the improper spelling to get where they need to be.
Long story short, I feel that this article is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term, and should be given the plain title. A hatnote would be added to the page for the few that are looking for The Bangerz, and everyone wins. My intention is not to be a pain about the matter, I just feel that the current setup isn't the optimal setup for our readers. --Relisted. Red Slash 02:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC) WikiRedactor ( talk) 18:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
There is far more to renaming than just the subjective primary topic guidelines: the big one being the actual article title rules:
Wikipedia:Article titles.
Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject will recognize. Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English. Precision – The title is sufficiently precise to unambiguously identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects. Conciseness – The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects. Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. Many of these patterns are listed (and linked) in the box of Topic-specific conventions on article titles.
The title as it is inline with all of the rules regarding article titles: it's descriptive but concise, inline with other similar articles and is both recognisable and natural - the removal of the suffix brings it into breach of those rules, creates ambiguity and confusion and opens us up to the constant flood of name change requests to get the "album" suffix put back in, to bring it back into line with the rules. To have had 2 move discussions over the removal of a descriptive suffix is frankly absurd and stinks of childish "fandom" pushing, rather than Wikipedia's aims collaborative effort towards improvement. --
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15:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
The real release date is October 8 http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5657600/miley-cyrus-reveals-bangerz-release-date User:Gohho — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gohho ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
where it talks about the tour it should be 2014 not 2013 as it has already passed and it is in future tense. people need to check their work so this does not happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD6A:8620:E17E:9BAA:B163:1C72 ( talk) 01:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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As of November 9, 2013 the third single off of Miley Cyrus' Bangerz album will be Bangerz featuring Britney Spears. No date has been set as to when the single will be released or a music video for the song. 76.236.43.37 ( talk) 18:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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Please add that the third single is "Adore You" - scheduled to be sent to U.S. radio stations in January 2014. Source.
http://www.allaccess.com/top40-mainstream/future-releases allacess just announced that it will come out on radio Decemeber 17, 2013 not january 6, 2013. change that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.52.6.126 ( talk) 01:07, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Back in August, I proposed the creation of a Miley Cyrus WikiProject, and there hasn't been much of a response at the nomination since then. Feel free to stop by, support/oppose, or leave comments. WikiRedactor ( talk) 20:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Note — I have relocated comments from Tomica ( talk · contribs) and Prism ( talk · contribs) from this section over to the nominations page. WikiRedactor ( talk) 17:08, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. While there isn't overwhelming consensus for this move, there are essentially no reasons presented for why this move shouldn't occur. PRIMARYTOPIC has been demonstrated, but not refuted. -- tariqabjotu 03:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
– With the last requested move having almost reached a consensus to rename the article, I'd like to take the opportunity to discuss the guidelines provided by WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and how they apply to Bangerz:
"A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." – The disambiguation page for the properly-spelled Bangers had 7,406 visitors in the last three months, while the stylized Bangerz disambiguation page pulled in 16,514 views in the same time period. For a disambiguation page, the latter figure is quite high; taking a closer look at the articles listed on the page, this record pulled in 589,848 visits, compared to 74,086 for the tour, 39,013 for the song, and 2,430 for the unrelated group. With these numbers in mind, it becomes apparent that the primary topic currently belongs to one of Cyrus' articles; as the highly-discussed project that resulted in both the song and the tour, this album should be recognized as the more important/prominent of the three.
"A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." – There is no doubt that Cyrus' article views are higher because of the publicity she has received in 2013. However, even putting all those controversies aside for a moment, a studio album from a popular mainstream artist is very likely to be more notable than a similarly, not identically, named DJ group whose page views appeared to have only spiked after the plain title Bangerz was redirected to The Bangerz before it became a disambiguation page.
Even when Bangerz's popularity begins to fade, there is no identically-titled article that would challenge the record as the primary topic; given Cyrus' notability in general, adding in the widespread attention this project has received, and topped off the the unique spelling that distinguishes it from a more "serious" topic covered by an article, it becomes clear that Bangerz is the primary topic of this title. Moving it over the the plain title would better service our readers, taking away the extra, inconvenient step in navigation that the disambiguation page has proven to be. With respect to WP:TWODABS, a hatnote guiding readers to The Bangerz and Bangerz (disambiguation) would be a better arrangement that the current disambiguation page in that it can be assumed that readers are looking for Cyrus' album. WikiRedactor ( talk) 17:59, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Why was everything archived? The end of the year does not mark a breakpoint where everything should be archived. The last message was on 27 December, less than 4 days before the entire talk page was pushed to an archive. Clearly, there wasn't that much activity on this talk page, and why would you need to archive everything more than 4 days old for such a low activity page? -- 70.50.148.122 ( talk) 05:15, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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Add a platinum certification for the U.S. denoting 1,000,000+ copies being sold. 69.254.4.85 ( talk) 04:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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X 5. "Nightmare'" (which is better than My Darlin' ]]) Y 5. My Darlin’ feat. Future Please change X to Y because the entire song name is wrong. "Nightmare is a new song that will be released this year. [1] Anampenca ( talk) 10:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Nobody but the proponent is convinced that Bangerz (album) is now the primary meaning of Bangerz. There is already a DAB page at Bangers (disambiguation). At editorial discretion, the name Bangerz might be redirected to Bangers (disambiguation) instead of its current target. That was the recommendation of 76.65.128.222 but the others did not comment on that idea. Google hits suggest that 'banger' may be commonly used in the sense of "A slang term for a good high-energy, pumping, dance music song" which is one of the meanings listed in Banger (disambiguation). EdJohnston ( talk) 01:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Bangerz (album) →
Bangerz – Currently, this title redirects to
The Bangerz, which until Miley announced the name of her album, was not pulling in many page views. I don't think there would be an issue with the group retaining their current "The Bangerz" title and Miley being given the plain "Bangerz" naming, and adding a hatnote on both articles in case they were looking for the other page.
WikiRedactor (
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21:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
on the track list it says one song will feature britney spears, but theres no reference to support this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.192.165 ( talk) 21:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I think I found the album's official tracklist [1]. If someone wants to work it into the article they are welcome to do so (unless this is not a reliable source). Jinkinson ( talk) 15:13, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
1. "Adore You"
2. "We Can't Stop"
3. "SMS (Bangerz)" ft. Britney Spears
4. "4×4" feat. Nelly
5. "Stand By Me" ft. Future
6. "Wrecking Ball"
7. "Love, Money, Party" ft. Big Sean
8. "Get it Right"
9. "Drive"
10. "FU' feat. French Montana
11. "Do My Thang"
12. "Maybe You're Right" - please correct the spelling of the writer to "Camaron Ochs" - Thanks!
13. "Someone Else"
14. "On My Own"
15. "Rooting For My Baby"
16. "Hands In the Air" feat. Ludacris
R Miley Cyrus's 'Bangerz' Track List Leaks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grandox ( talk • contribs) 01:01, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
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"Maybe You're Right" - Please correct the spelling of the writer, Camaron Ochs (Camaron is spelled with an 'a', not Cameron). Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmarias22 ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Maybe You're Right - Add Tyler Sam Johnson (full name) instead of just 'Johnson'. His name is listed correctly under his additional production credit. Thank you! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmarias22 ( talk • contribs) 05:31, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Discounting the low-edit IP !votes (two in opposition, one in support), there is no clear consensus in favor of the proposed move, even after this discussion has stayed open for a month. bd2412 T 18:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Bangerz (album) → Bangerz – Yes, I am aware that a discussion was closed a little over a month ago, but my intention with this proposal is to have a better-populated discussion that just myself and the two additional editors we had last time. Anyways, as it stands, the plain title Bangerz redirects to The Bangerz, the logic behind which I question because they appear to be pretty obscure in comparison to a highly-anticipated project from a well-known mainstream celebrity. Miley's album has gotten 546,000 hits in the last three months, compared to a mere 3,300 for the group in the same time frame.
Responding to In ictu oculi's opposition the last time around, in which he felt that the term was ambiguous because it was used for various other purposes on Google Books, none of those other topics appear notable enough to have Wikipedia articles written on them, or they would likely already have been created. Not to mention, I did a quick search for " Blurred Lines" on Google Books, and not one result in the first three pages referenced the song, but we didn't have an issue establishing a primary topic here on Wikipedia, did we? Secondly, I disagree with the suggestion of redirecting the plain title to the disambiguation for Bangers, because the spelling with a "z" is used in only two articles on the English Wikipedia, and I doubt that anyone looking for one of the other results would be using the improper spelling to get where they need to be.
Long story short, I feel that this article is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term, and should be given the plain title. A hatnote would be added to the page for the few that are looking for The Bangerz, and everyone wins. My intention is not to be a pain about the matter, I just feel that the current setup isn't the optimal setup for our readers. --Relisted. Red Slash 02:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC) WikiRedactor ( talk) 18:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
There is far more to renaming than just the subjective primary topic guidelines: the big one being the actual article title rules:
Wikipedia:Article titles.
Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject will recognize. Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English. Precision – The title is sufficiently precise to unambiguously identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects. Conciseness – The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects. Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. Many of these patterns are listed (and linked) in the box of Topic-specific conventions on article titles.
The title as it is inline with all of the rules regarding article titles: it's descriptive but concise, inline with other similar articles and is both recognisable and natural - the removal of the suffix brings it into breach of those rules, creates ambiguity and confusion and opens us up to the constant flood of name change requests to get the "album" suffix put back in, to bring it back into line with the rules. To have had 2 move discussions over the removal of a descriptive suffix is frankly absurd and stinks of childish "fandom" pushing, rather than Wikipedia's aims collaborative effort towards improvement. --
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15:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
The real release date is October 8 http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5657600/miley-cyrus-reveals-bangerz-release-date User:Gohho — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gohho ( talk • contribs) 20:46, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
where it talks about the tour it should be 2014 not 2013 as it has already passed and it is in future tense. people need to check their work so this does not happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD6A:8620:E17E:9BAA:B163:1C72 ( talk) 01:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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As of November 9, 2013 the third single off of Miley Cyrus' Bangerz album will be Bangerz featuring Britney Spears. No date has been set as to when the single will be released or a music video for the song. 76.236.43.37 ( talk) 18:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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Please add that the third single is "Adore You" - scheduled to be sent to U.S. radio stations in January 2014. Source.
http://www.allaccess.com/top40-mainstream/future-releases allacess just announced that it will come out on radio Decemeber 17, 2013 not january 6, 2013. change that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.52.6.126 ( talk) 01:07, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Back in August, I proposed the creation of a Miley Cyrus WikiProject, and there hasn't been much of a response at the nomination since then. Feel free to stop by, support/oppose, or leave comments. WikiRedactor ( talk) 20:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Note — I have relocated comments from Tomica ( talk · contribs) and Prism ( talk · contribs) from this section over to the nominations page. WikiRedactor ( talk) 17:08, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. While there isn't overwhelming consensus for this move, there are essentially no reasons presented for why this move shouldn't occur. PRIMARYTOPIC has been demonstrated, but not refuted. -- tariqabjotu 03:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
– With the last requested move having almost reached a consensus to rename the article, I'd like to take the opportunity to discuss the guidelines provided by WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and how they apply to Bangerz:
"A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." – The disambiguation page for the properly-spelled Bangers had 7,406 visitors in the last three months, while the stylized Bangerz disambiguation page pulled in 16,514 views in the same time period. For a disambiguation page, the latter figure is quite high; taking a closer look at the articles listed on the page, this record pulled in 589,848 visits, compared to 74,086 for the tour, 39,013 for the song, and 2,430 for the unrelated group. With these numbers in mind, it becomes apparent that the primary topic currently belongs to one of Cyrus' articles; as the highly-discussed project that resulted in both the song and the tour, this album should be recognized as the more important/prominent of the three.
"A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." – There is no doubt that Cyrus' article views are higher because of the publicity she has received in 2013. However, even putting all those controversies aside for a moment, a studio album from a popular mainstream artist is very likely to be more notable than a similarly, not identically, named DJ group whose page views appeared to have only spiked after the plain title Bangerz was redirected to The Bangerz before it became a disambiguation page.
Even when Bangerz's popularity begins to fade, there is no identically-titled article that would challenge the record as the primary topic; given Cyrus' notability in general, adding in the widespread attention this project has received, and topped off the the unique spelling that distinguishes it from a more "serious" topic covered by an article, it becomes clear that Bangerz is the primary topic of this title. Moving it over the the plain title would better service our readers, taking away the extra, inconvenient step in navigation that the disambiguation page has proven to be. With respect to WP:TWODABS, a hatnote guiding readers to The Bangerz and Bangerz (disambiguation) would be a better arrangement that the current disambiguation page in that it can be assumed that readers are looking for Cyrus' album. WikiRedactor ( talk) 17:59, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Why was everything archived? The end of the year does not mark a breakpoint where everything should be archived. The last message was on 27 December, less than 4 days before the entire talk page was pushed to an archive. Clearly, there wasn't that much activity on this talk page, and why would you need to archive everything more than 4 days old for such a low activity page? -- 70.50.148.122 ( talk) 05:15, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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Add a platinum certification for the U.S. denoting 1,000,000+ copies being sold. 69.254.4.85 ( talk) 04:57, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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X 5. "Nightmare'" (which is better than My Darlin' ]]) Y 5. My Darlin’ feat. Future Please change X to Y because the entire song name is wrong. "Nightmare is a new song that will be released this year. [1] Anampenca ( talk) 10:22, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
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