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It is not the case that the Bancroft Literary Association and Carrollton-Wight Literary Society is the oldest such organization at a public school in the United States. The Jefferson Literary and Debating Society was founded at the University of Virginia in 1825, more than 50 years prior to the date cited for the formation of the Bancroft Literary Association and Carrollton-Wight Literary Society. I have removed the incorrect claim. PubliusVarrus
No one, past or present calls it the Bancroft Literary Association and Carrollton-Wight Literary Society. Not one kid on the team I've ever met has called it that, and it makes no sense for...
I'm moving the page to Baltimore City College Speech and Debate take it up with an admin if you have a problem. Thx2005 18:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I am requesting that this article be moved back to the original title. Thx2005 contends that the speech and debate team has neither been referred to as these societies in the past nor is it been referred to them currently. That argument is not only inaccurate, but also ignores the sources already provided for the article. I can provide you three places on the internet where the societies are referred to. The first is the
Board of School Commissioners report for the Baltimore City public schools from 1891, you may find it on page 136. The next source is the Abell foundation's
website. The final source is the website of the
Baltimore Urban Debate League, which provides evidence that it is currently referred to by the society names. For those reasons I am requesting that it be returned to its former title.
Golem88991 18:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
It's a better name for regular Wikipedians to search, and it's a more practical name for the article. Thx2005 19:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I know that i said my last comment would be my final say on the matter, but I would like to add one more. The article should be moved because the societal names are the more common name. If a google search is done for the "Bancroft Literary Society" or the "Carrollton-Wight Literary Society" it yields more results than a search for "Baltimore City College speech and debate". Though this is not the only measure of "common names" it is one and it is more verifiable than the claim that every one at competitions calls them the "Baltimore City College Speech and Debate team" without any evidence. I would note that the only results for "Baltimore City College Speech and Debate" is wikipedia. Golem88991 18:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The page most be moved the arguement that the teams notability is tied to what they are regarded to as in interscholastic competition is wrong. That is simply a portion of the current team and of the history of team. The notabilty is in fact tied to the fact that these are significant literary societies that host events outside of commonly known leagues. In fact the societies are partly responsible for the development of many of the leagues in the area. What is also troubling is that Thx05 changed the name of the page without any type of consultation. As Golem88991 said the name change is clearly controversial and unfair. Baltimore City College Speech and Debate does not yield the same search results as naming the societies does. To keep the current name ignores the significance of the societies and their roles at city college. -- Bcc07 15:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I would also add that this grouping of literary societies is not unprecedented. The Dialectic and Philanthropic Societies have a joint article on wikipedia. Golem88991 19:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Just falling here from WP:RM. IMO, the article must be certainly moved, as arguing that the team's notability is the central question is weak at the very least. As Bcc07 noted, the significance of the literary society appears to go beyond the team's current main activities. I must also add that Thx2005 behaviour is disappointing: agressive statements like "I'm moving the page to Baltimore City College Speech and Debate take it up with an admin if you have a problem" are far from helpful, and seem to forget that there's RM exactly to solve these disputes.-- Aldux 13:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
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It is not the case that the Bancroft Literary Association and Carrollton-Wight Literary Society is the oldest such organization at a public school in the United States. The Jefferson Literary and Debating Society was founded at the University of Virginia in 1825, more than 50 years prior to the date cited for the formation of the Bancroft Literary Association and Carrollton-Wight Literary Society. I have removed the incorrect claim. PubliusVarrus
No one, past or present calls it the Bancroft Literary Association and Carrollton-Wight Literary Society. Not one kid on the team I've ever met has called it that, and it makes no sense for...
I'm moving the page to Baltimore City College Speech and Debate take it up with an admin if you have a problem. Thx2005 18:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I am requesting that this article be moved back to the original title. Thx2005 contends that the speech and debate team has neither been referred to as these societies in the past nor is it been referred to them currently. That argument is not only inaccurate, but also ignores the sources already provided for the article. I can provide you three places on the internet where the societies are referred to. The first is the
Board of School Commissioners report for the Baltimore City public schools from 1891, you may find it on page 136. The next source is the Abell foundation's
website. The final source is the website of the
Baltimore Urban Debate League, which provides evidence that it is currently referred to by the society names. For those reasons I am requesting that it be returned to its former title.
Golem88991 18:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
It's a better name for regular Wikipedians to search, and it's a more practical name for the article. Thx2005 19:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I know that i said my last comment would be my final say on the matter, but I would like to add one more. The article should be moved because the societal names are the more common name. If a google search is done for the "Bancroft Literary Society" or the "Carrollton-Wight Literary Society" it yields more results than a search for "Baltimore City College speech and debate". Though this is not the only measure of "common names" it is one and it is more verifiable than the claim that every one at competitions calls them the "Baltimore City College Speech and Debate team" without any evidence. I would note that the only results for "Baltimore City College Speech and Debate" is wikipedia. Golem88991 18:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The page most be moved the arguement that the teams notability is tied to what they are regarded to as in interscholastic competition is wrong. That is simply a portion of the current team and of the history of team. The notabilty is in fact tied to the fact that these are significant literary societies that host events outside of commonly known leagues. In fact the societies are partly responsible for the development of many of the leagues in the area. What is also troubling is that Thx05 changed the name of the page without any type of consultation. As Golem88991 said the name change is clearly controversial and unfair. Baltimore City College Speech and Debate does not yield the same search results as naming the societies does. To keep the current name ignores the significance of the societies and their roles at city college. -- Bcc07 15:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I would also add that this grouping of literary societies is not unprecedented. The Dialectic and Philanthropic Societies have a joint article on wikipedia. Golem88991 19:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Just falling here from WP:RM. IMO, the article must be certainly moved, as arguing that the team's notability is the central question is weak at the very least. As Bcc07 noted, the significance of the literary society appears to go beyond the team's current main activities. I must also add that Thx2005 behaviour is disappointing: agressive statements like "I'm moving the page to Baltimore City College Speech and Debate take it up with an admin if you have a problem" are far from helpful, and seem to forget that there's RM exactly to solve these disputes.-- Aldux 13:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Baltimore City College Speech and Debate to Bancroft Literary Association and Carrollton-Wight Literary Society as the result of a move request.
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