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I like the article, but the photo of the crossbow in the display case is very hard to interpret. It just looks very bizarre to me, even though I understand the basic function of a crossbow. Could someone write some sort of explanation of why it looks so odd? Peter Isotalo 13:11, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
Were Ban Chao (32-102) and Ban Gu (32-92) twins? -- Toytoy 13:39, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
From the east coast of the Caspian sea it's quite far to Ukraine, which is north of the Black Sea. If his envoy probably only reached the Black Sea, Ban Chao himself probably didn't go as far as Ukraine. 193.171.121.30 15:29, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The pinyin romanization should be Ban Zhao, and I believe the Wade-Giles is Pan Chao without the apostrophe.
ah yes, that's probably it. got them mixed up in my head for some reason. i didn't even bother to look at the characters or the portrait in the article. only stopped by because it was a "new article" on wikipedia frontpage. sorry about that.
Much of vol.I of Yule/Cordier's To Cathay and the way thither is available [here http://books.google.com/books?id=SAqgAb41ifIC&printsec=frontcover&hl=de]. The important quote ("It is not, however, doubtful that he did not push his conquests to the Caspian [..]") is on p. 41. Yaan ( talk) 14:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
User:99.130.8.150 added a claim today that Ban Chao reached Merv in 97 CE and gave as a reference a link to a tourist website: [1] which makes the romantic claim that: "Accompanied by horsemen arrayed in bright red leather,he himself went as far west as Merv and made contacts with Parthia,Babylonia and Syria." There is no reference or even date for this amazing account given on the website. There is absolutely no such reference in any of the Chinese historical texts, or any other ancient source. This appears to be pure fantasy. All that we really know about these contacts with the West is included in the 'Chapter on the Western Regions' in the Hou Hanshu which says:
You can check this out in my draft translation at: [2] or wait until my new book - a much revised and enlarged version - which is due to be published soon: Through the Jade Gate to Rome: A Study of the Silk Routes during the Later Han Dynasty 1st to 2nd Centuries CE. An annotated translation of the Chronicle on the ‘Western Regions’ from the Hou Hanshu. Booksurge. ISBN 978-1-4392-2134-1. It contains detailed discussions of the movements of Ban Chao as well as Gan Ying. In any case, there is no evidence whatsoever that Ban Chao ever got farther than the Tarim Basin except for one brief reference in his bibliography that he once went as far (south) as the "Hanging Passages," which were probably in northern Hunza. Sincerely, John Hill ( talk) 04:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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I like the article, but the photo of the crossbow in the display case is very hard to interpret. It just looks very bizarre to me, even though I understand the basic function of a crossbow. Could someone write some sort of explanation of why it looks so odd? Peter Isotalo 13:11, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
Were Ban Chao (32-102) and Ban Gu (32-92) twins? -- Toytoy 13:39, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
From the east coast of the Caspian sea it's quite far to Ukraine, which is north of the Black Sea. If his envoy probably only reached the Black Sea, Ban Chao himself probably didn't go as far as Ukraine. 193.171.121.30 15:29, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The pinyin romanization should be Ban Zhao, and I believe the Wade-Giles is Pan Chao without the apostrophe.
ah yes, that's probably it. got them mixed up in my head for some reason. i didn't even bother to look at the characters or the portrait in the article. only stopped by because it was a "new article" on wikipedia frontpage. sorry about that.
Much of vol.I of Yule/Cordier's To Cathay and the way thither is available [here http://books.google.com/books?id=SAqgAb41ifIC&printsec=frontcover&hl=de]. The important quote ("It is not, however, doubtful that he did not push his conquests to the Caspian [..]") is on p. 41. Yaan ( talk) 14:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
User:99.130.8.150 added a claim today that Ban Chao reached Merv in 97 CE and gave as a reference a link to a tourist website: [1] which makes the romantic claim that: "Accompanied by horsemen arrayed in bright red leather,he himself went as far west as Merv and made contacts with Parthia,Babylonia and Syria." There is no reference or even date for this amazing account given on the website. There is absolutely no such reference in any of the Chinese historical texts, or any other ancient source. This appears to be pure fantasy. All that we really know about these contacts with the West is included in the 'Chapter on the Western Regions' in the Hou Hanshu which says:
You can check this out in my draft translation at: [2] or wait until my new book - a much revised and enlarged version - which is due to be published soon: Through the Jade Gate to Rome: A Study of the Silk Routes during the Later Han Dynasty 1st to 2nd Centuries CE. An annotated translation of the Chronicle on the ‘Western Regions’ from the Hou Hanshu. Booksurge. ISBN 978-1-4392-2134-1. It contains detailed discussions of the movements of Ban Chao as well as Gan Ying. In any case, there is no evidence whatsoever that Ban Chao ever got farther than the Tarim Basin except for one brief reference in his bibliography that he once went as far (south) as the "Hanging Passages," which were probably in northern Hunza. Sincerely, John Hill ( talk) 04:03, 27 September 2009 (UTC)