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"Editions" of Hello-but are total absurdity. Please provide sources. This user never provide sources. 85.206.192.188 13:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Next time place all books on the topic from Google - it will be your "sources", joker, in jokers' wikipedia, sorry shitypedia.
Zivinbudas
18:27, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Ok, after a quick search through the amazon, I found a number of English-language books that might include some info on the topic.
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help)As I said, I don't know which of those really describe the history of the Balts, neither can I check their credibility. Halibu tt 18:17, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
With exeption of one book (Irena Čepienė; which of course this polish nationalist didn't use) and non actual Encyclopedia Britanica from 1911 (why not from 1677) other his "sources" are only polish rubbish. So those are any sources. Zivinbudas 17:08, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
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Here is an usual map which shows Yotvingians to live more south by that time [1]; What are the sources to represent Yotvingians in a smaller territory in 1200? Dellijks 16:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
In spight of the chance of getting ridiculed by a certain someone on here, I always thought that Estonians were included in the Baltic peoples, or am I getting that confused because it's considered apart of the Baltic region? Estonians are in fact Finnic correct? JanderVK ( talk) 09:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
That is correct. Estonians aren't balts they are finno-ugric (like Finnish and Hungarian), but Estonia belongs to the three Baltic States. -- 88.222.81.179 ( talk) 07:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"as well as the Prussians, Yotvingians and Galindians, whose languages and cultures became extinct in the Middle Ages." The article about Prussians states that their language became extinct "by the 17th century". This vague expression implies that there may have still been some speakers in the 1500s, or anytime until 1601. Well, if there were speakers of the Prussian language in the 1500s, then it didn't become extinct during the Middle Ages, because the Middle Ages had already ended by that time. - 86.133.247.156 14:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The direction should not be confused with the language group. We know the Goliads were out by Moscow but we do not know what their dialect was. They were a bit early for the division between east and west. Simuilarly the Pomeranian Balts are only a theoretical prehistoric entity, not western Balts. So I will be changing that a little. Thanks. Dave ( talk) 10:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
We've got a new editor here who keeps reverting my efforts to correct this article without explanation and without discussion. Welcome to Wikipedia, my friend, but that is not allowed. Good protocol is that I give you a chance to explain yourself, which I would appreciate. Otherwise I will have to start reverting everything wrong you do, including your last changes to the table, and asking for other editors to take a look more formally. Basically there are three issues and two tags.
Thank you very much. I would appreciate your cooperation on this. I have some misgivings because you are even reverting back to mispelled words. I would like to point out that Wikipedia is not for personal interpretations that would amount to original research and these are topics on which line-item references are needed. Since you are working on this right now I would hope for some swift replies. A failure to reply gives me the right to remove your material. If you remove these tags without responding I will be forced to treat you like a vandal. If I offend anyone of innocent intent I am sorry. Innocence now requires you to discuss. Thanks and once again welcome to Wikipedia. Dave ( talk) 02:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I need to give you one more pointer. We aren;t making this up here and we are not interested in your or my personal opinions. What we want are data and the opinions of the writers on it. There is a little leeway of presentation, but these issues that I have mentioned are not in it. You are not free to classify a hypothetical Pomeranian as a western Baltic language when the language remains unknown except for a few reconstructed place names. And all these words apply to me too. The world is not interested in my personal opinion about whether there were any Balts in Pomerania and what language they spoke. So this is not a contest of personal opinions. References please or stop reverting my changes. I am going to start up the top now finding refs for the things that were said. Dave ( talk) 03:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I am sure the Polish language is a very fine one but I do not know any and neither do most Americans. This the English Wikipedia. There are I think two English refs and yet there is quite a wealth of English writing on the Balts. I appreciate your wanting to work on the English Wikipedia but you need to do it in English. Thanks. Dave ( talk) 03:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I changed the meanimg from white guys to dwellers by the white sea but then it struck me this is wrong too. That might not be the etymology of Baltic Sea and that topic is covered in the article I linked. Here is my modified statement of the original in case anyone wants to do something else with it: ( Latvian: balti; Lithuanian: baltai; Latgalian: bolti, lit. "white", with reference to the Baltic or "white" sea by which they live) Dave ( talk) 19:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
This article brandishes such outlandish claims like the "massive influx' of Indo Europeans is widely accepted, which its not. The so-called genetic evidence is only possibly an indirect supporter of such a theory. Hxseek ( talk) 05:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
The lead states, rather boldly, that The number of lakes and swamps in this area isolated the Balts, and as a result of this isolation the Baltic languages retain a number of conservative or archaic features and this is covered by a reference consisting of a mere bookpage quote.
I assume that what the book is saying is that conservative or archaic features have been retained in Baltic languages, but I am very suspicious of the other part being covered by the claim: lakes are no real communication hassle. Actually, with lakes usually come rivers, which used to be the real highways in those densely forested areas back in the day. Swamps, maybe, but there aren's so many anyway as to call the region "isolated". All in all, I dont see this region -which, by the way, is by the sea and even more open to foreign contact- being more isolated than any other.
Someone please confirm whether the book claim is covering the above mentioend part, otherwise, I may delete the "isolated" claim. Thanks. MOUNTOLIVE fedeli alla linea 16:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
At a minimum links to the history of Lithuania and Latvia with a short discription should be provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.69.100.176 ( talk) 18:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Why there is represented only one theory of formation of european laguages? I mean this is not objective. Because there are two equally main stream theorys about formation of european laguages. One is about kurgan expansion and the other is Paleolithic Continuity Theory. Wouldn't it be wise to add a section on the other theory too. Because now article sounds as if everything is so clear and there are no doubts about history of balts and that is obviously diletants work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Continuity_Theory --Ceckauskas Dominykas 19:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceckauskas Dominykas ( talk • contribs)
Who added this sentence to the article? Twice. Seems like a deliberate sabotage to interfere with history. Can someone delete it, as there is no sense to it. Nor to the section it had been added to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.68.28.134 ( talk) 15:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
"The prehistoric cradle of the Baltic peoples according to archaeogenetic research and archaeological studies was the area near the Baltic sea and central Europe at the end of the Ice Age and beginning of the Mesolithic period. They spread in the area from the Baltic sea in the west to the Volga in the east."
Uh... this would mean the Balts are all non-Indo-European autochthones. Or am I just mixing up Baltic language and Baltic culture with Baltic archaeogenetics? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 17:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
New page: Prusi. - Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:24, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Are Balts a slavic people? I always thought so, but this is not mentioned. Sylvain1972 17:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Balto-Slavic family is a myth. We aren't "very close related" and we haven't lived in the same territory after the proto-indoeuropean times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.199.126.2 ( talk) 11:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually there was an ancient Indo-European culture or group of tribes living in what is now today Belarus, according to social-cultural anthropologist, this culture may have been one of the direct ancestors of both Baltic and Slavic people. the Baltic people, only split off from Slavs as may lived together and among another ancient group of people in the Baltic region and eventually after further influences from the other cultures like the Finns, Scandinavians, and of course the Germans the Baltic People greatly differed from the Slavic people, both culturally, Linguistically and thus Genetically. This, mean that they were once related to one another but were influence differently by other cultures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.143.156.250 ( talk) 06:26, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
If I'm looking at maps correctly, the Baltic region appears to be in Northeastern Europe. Eastern and Southeastern Europe are predominantly Slavic.
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I repost my question here. I would like to ask somebody for translation of this article to English. In English Wikipedia, an article Proto-Balto-Slavic language does exist. This is a mix of the Slavic and Baltic facts. English Wikipedia (and more than 30 in others languages) contains separate article Proto-Slavic language. I won't argue over existence of common Baltic-Slavic language period. I just think, it would be fair and useful cause to have the articles both for Proto-Slavic and Proto-Baltic languages. I'm asking you for the help again, I hope, you'll understand my broken English :) Write me here, please.-- Ed1974LT ( talk) 17:08, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, how are Finnic peoples / Baltic Finns related to Balts in ethnic terminology? I mean genetically, why not - but this page is not about genetics. See the Dutch people as an example - they have "Germanic peoples" and then very close neighbours from inside that grouping under related ethnic groups, because the Dutch are germanic people. I don't see how it's right that Baltic Finns are mentioned on this article. Blomsterhagens ( talk) 16:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
It is currently being proposed that Category:Baltic countries and territories be deleted. This article is related to that category. The relevant discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family. The deletion discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in Baltic neopaganism. Krakkos ( talk) 12:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
This article contains three excellent-looking maps, however they are all in Russian. I would like to ask if someone could translate them into English and other languages please. Tolkien5 ( talk) 22:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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"Editions" of Hello-but are total absurdity. Please provide sources. This user never provide sources. 85.206.192.188 13:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Next time place all books on the topic from Google - it will be your "sources", joker, in jokers' wikipedia, sorry shitypedia.
Zivinbudas
18:27, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Ok, after a quick search through the amazon, I found a number of English-language books that might include some info on the topic.
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
(
help)As I said, I don't know which of those really describe the history of the Balts, neither can I check their credibility. Halibu tt 18:17, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
With exeption of one book (Irena Čepienė; which of course this polish nationalist didn't use) and non actual Encyclopedia Britanica from 1911 (why not from 1677) other his "sources" are only polish rubbish. So those are any sources. Zivinbudas 17:08, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
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Here is an usual map which shows Yotvingians to live more south by that time [1]; What are the sources to represent Yotvingians in a smaller territory in 1200? Dellijks 16:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
In spight of the chance of getting ridiculed by a certain someone on here, I always thought that Estonians were included in the Baltic peoples, or am I getting that confused because it's considered apart of the Baltic region? Estonians are in fact Finnic correct? JanderVK ( talk) 09:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
That is correct. Estonians aren't balts they are finno-ugric (like Finnish and Hungarian), but Estonia belongs to the three Baltic States. -- 88.222.81.179 ( talk) 07:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"as well as the Prussians, Yotvingians and Galindians, whose languages and cultures became extinct in the Middle Ages." The article about Prussians states that their language became extinct "by the 17th century". This vague expression implies that there may have still been some speakers in the 1500s, or anytime until 1601. Well, if there were speakers of the Prussian language in the 1500s, then it didn't become extinct during the Middle Ages, because the Middle Ages had already ended by that time. - 86.133.247.156 14:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The direction should not be confused with the language group. We know the Goliads were out by Moscow but we do not know what their dialect was. They were a bit early for the division between east and west. Simuilarly the Pomeranian Balts are only a theoretical prehistoric entity, not western Balts. So I will be changing that a little. Thanks. Dave ( talk) 10:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
We've got a new editor here who keeps reverting my efforts to correct this article without explanation and without discussion. Welcome to Wikipedia, my friend, but that is not allowed. Good protocol is that I give you a chance to explain yourself, which I would appreciate. Otherwise I will have to start reverting everything wrong you do, including your last changes to the table, and asking for other editors to take a look more formally. Basically there are three issues and two tags.
Thank you very much. I would appreciate your cooperation on this. I have some misgivings because you are even reverting back to mispelled words. I would like to point out that Wikipedia is not for personal interpretations that would amount to original research and these are topics on which line-item references are needed. Since you are working on this right now I would hope for some swift replies. A failure to reply gives me the right to remove your material. If you remove these tags without responding I will be forced to treat you like a vandal. If I offend anyone of innocent intent I am sorry. Innocence now requires you to discuss. Thanks and once again welcome to Wikipedia. Dave ( talk) 02:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I need to give you one more pointer. We aren;t making this up here and we are not interested in your or my personal opinions. What we want are data and the opinions of the writers on it. There is a little leeway of presentation, but these issues that I have mentioned are not in it. You are not free to classify a hypothetical Pomeranian as a western Baltic language when the language remains unknown except for a few reconstructed place names. And all these words apply to me too. The world is not interested in my personal opinion about whether there were any Balts in Pomerania and what language they spoke. So this is not a contest of personal opinions. References please or stop reverting my changes. I am going to start up the top now finding refs for the things that were said. Dave ( talk) 03:09, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I am sure the Polish language is a very fine one but I do not know any and neither do most Americans. This the English Wikipedia. There are I think two English refs and yet there is quite a wealth of English writing on the Balts. I appreciate your wanting to work on the English Wikipedia but you need to do it in English. Thanks. Dave ( talk) 03:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I changed the meanimg from white guys to dwellers by the white sea but then it struck me this is wrong too. That might not be the etymology of Baltic Sea and that topic is covered in the article I linked. Here is my modified statement of the original in case anyone wants to do something else with it: ( Latvian: balti; Lithuanian: baltai; Latgalian: bolti, lit. "white", with reference to the Baltic or "white" sea by which they live) Dave ( talk) 19:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
This article brandishes such outlandish claims like the "massive influx' of Indo Europeans is widely accepted, which its not. The so-called genetic evidence is only possibly an indirect supporter of such a theory. Hxseek ( talk) 05:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
The lead states, rather boldly, that The number of lakes and swamps in this area isolated the Balts, and as a result of this isolation the Baltic languages retain a number of conservative or archaic features and this is covered by a reference consisting of a mere bookpage quote.
I assume that what the book is saying is that conservative or archaic features have been retained in Baltic languages, but I am very suspicious of the other part being covered by the claim: lakes are no real communication hassle. Actually, with lakes usually come rivers, which used to be the real highways in those densely forested areas back in the day. Swamps, maybe, but there aren's so many anyway as to call the region "isolated". All in all, I dont see this region -which, by the way, is by the sea and even more open to foreign contact- being more isolated than any other.
Someone please confirm whether the book claim is covering the above mentioend part, otherwise, I may delete the "isolated" claim. Thanks. MOUNTOLIVE fedeli alla linea 16:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
At a minimum links to the history of Lithuania and Latvia with a short discription should be provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.69.100.176 ( talk) 18:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Why there is represented only one theory of formation of european laguages? I mean this is not objective. Because there are two equally main stream theorys about formation of european laguages. One is about kurgan expansion and the other is Paleolithic Continuity Theory. Wouldn't it be wise to add a section on the other theory too. Because now article sounds as if everything is so clear and there are no doubts about history of balts and that is obviously diletants work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_Continuity_Theory --Ceckauskas Dominykas 19:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceckauskas Dominykas ( talk • contribs)
Who added this sentence to the article? Twice. Seems like a deliberate sabotage to interfere with history. Can someone delete it, as there is no sense to it. Nor to the section it had been added to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.68.28.134 ( talk) 15:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
"The prehistoric cradle of the Baltic peoples according to archaeogenetic research and archaeological studies was the area near the Baltic sea and central Europe at the end of the Ice Age and beginning of the Mesolithic period. They spread in the area from the Baltic sea in the west to the Volga in the east."
Uh... this would mean the Balts are all non-Indo-European autochthones. Or am I just mixing up Baltic language and Baltic culture with Baltic archaeogenetics? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 17:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
New page: Prusi. - Staszek Lem ( talk) 21:24, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Are Balts a slavic people? I always thought so, but this is not mentioned. Sylvain1972 17:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Balto-Slavic family is a myth. We aren't "very close related" and we haven't lived in the same territory after the proto-indoeuropean times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.199.126.2 ( talk) 11:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually there was an ancient Indo-European culture or group of tribes living in what is now today Belarus, according to social-cultural anthropologist, this culture may have been one of the direct ancestors of both Baltic and Slavic people. the Baltic people, only split off from Slavs as may lived together and among another ancient group of people in the Baltic region and eventually after further influences from the other cultures like the Finns, Scandinavians, and of course the Germans the Baltic People greatly differed from the Slavic people, both culturally, Linguistically and thus Genetically. This, mean that they were once related to one another but were influence differently by other cultures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.143.156.250 ( talk) 06:26, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
If I'm looking at maps correctly, the Baltic region appears to be in Northeastern Europe. Eastern and Southeastern Europe are predominantly Slavic.
Hi,
I repost my question here. I would like to ask somebody for translation of this article to English. In English Wikipedia, an article Proto-Balto-Slavic language does exist. This is a mix of the Slavic and Baltic facts. English Wikipedia (and more than 30 in others languages) contains separate article Proto-Slavic language. I won't argue over existence of common Baltic-Slavic language period. I just think, it would be fair and useful cause to have the articles both for Proto-Slavic and Proto-Baltic languages. I'm asking you for the help again, I hope, you'll understand my broken English :) Write me here, please.-- Ed1974LT ( talk) 17:08, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, how are Finnic peoples / Baltic Finns related to Balts in ethnic terminology? I mean genetically, why not - but this page is not about genetics. See the Dutch people as an example - they have "Germanic peoples" and then very close neighbours from inside that grouping under related ethnic groups, because the Dutch are germanic people. I don't see how it's right that Baltic Finns are mentioned on this article. Blomsterhagens ( talk) 16:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
It is currently being proposed that Category:Baltic countries and territories be deleted. This article is related to that category. The relevant discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family. The deletion discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in Baltic neopaganism. Krakkos ( talk) 12:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
This article contains three excellent-looking maps, however they are all in Russian. I would like to ask if someone could translate them into English and other languages please. Tolkien5 ( talk) 22:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)