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Will someone please explain where in Wikipedia it says that communities are "inherently notable"? The Blade of the Northern Lights is the second Wikipedia editor to say that. I asked the first editor to point me to a guideline or policy that says that, and there was no response. I'd really like to see some support for this. Thanks.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 23:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
US military intelligence seems to think Ballo Wharf is worth listing in a database. getamap, mapquest, and google all believe that the place exists. Is there any reason to doubt any of the information? (This is not a rhetorical question, there may be a problem in what to believe.)
http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-1901840&fid=5762&c=sierra_leone#MAP shows both a "Ballo Wharf" and a nearby "Barlo Wbarf" (yes, "Barlo Wbarf"). The coastline runs from northeast to southwest. The satellite view is good enough to see the tops of houses alongside a beach that connects those two points. Another source says that "Ballo Wharf" is the same as "Barlo Wharf". I'm sure that someone that lived in one of those houses would have an opinion about where he or she lived, and would reasonably believe that that place was "worthy of notice", and I would agree. But another map I saw shows Ballo Wharf on a coastline that runs from northwest to southeast. Looks like the topic needs analysis and there is some possibility that the name is bogus, but I see no current reason to consider deleting it. Note that
WP:5 is "fundamental principles" which is higher than listed with policy, and states that Wikipedia is partly a gazeteer. Next place I would look is on government websites from Sierra Leone, looking for a map.
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Gee, now I'm a "respondent". Here's what's in the article now: "In 2000, after fighting broke out in Port Loko between Revolutionary United Front and Unamsil Nibatt members, then-Secretary General of the United Nations Kofi Anan stated there were reports of "an influx of internally-displaced persons" to Ballo Wharf." It shouldn't be in the article. It's a primary source, and you're misinterpreting it, which underscores the danger of citing primary sources. The portion of the source you're using says at the outset: "The following is a near-verbatim transcript of a briefing with UNAMSIL spokesman Hirut Befecadu and military spokesman Lt. Commander Patrick Coker". Based on what follows, I don't believe that Kofi Anan stated that there were reports; he only made the first three points (at the top of the section). The rest is someone else talking, probably either Befecadu or Coker. Moreover, how can you remove a crucial word like "unconfirmed" from the sentence? I'm going to remove the material because I think it's of virtually no value and because it's a primary source. I would reluctantly agree to a rewording, though, something along the lines of: "In 2000, in the context of the UN's Sierra Leone peacekeeping mission, Ballo Wharf was mentioned." That's about all it's good for anyway. If you disagree, talk about it here rather than reverting.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 14:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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Will someone please explain where in Wikipedia it says that communities are "inherently notable"? The Blade of the Northern Lights is the second Wikipedia editor to say that. I asked the first editor to point me to a guideline or policy that says that, and there was no response. I'd really like to see some support for this. Thanks.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 23:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
US military intelligence seems to think Ballo Wharf is worth listing in a database. getamap, mapquest, and google all believe that the place exists. Is there any reason to doubt any of the information? (This is not a rhetorical question, there may be a problem in what to believe.)
http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-1901840&fid=5762&c=sierra_leone#MAP shows both a "Ballo Wharf" and a nearby "Barlo Wbarf" (yes, "Barlo Wbarf"). The coastline runs from northeast to southwest. The satellite view is good enough to see the tops of houses alongside a beach that connects those two points. Another source says that "Ballo Wharf" is the same as "Barlo Wharf". I'm sure that someone that lived in one of those houses would have an opinion about where he or she lived, and would reasonably believe that that place was "worthy of notice", and I would agree. But another map I saw shows Ballo Wharf on a coastline that runs from northwest to southeast. Looks like the topic needs analysis and there is some possibility that the name is bogus, but I see no current reason to consider deleting it. Note that
WP:5 is "fundamental principles" which is higher than listed with policy, and states that Wikipedia is partly a gazeteer. Next place I would look is on government websites from Sierra Leone, looking for a map.
Unscintillating (
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22:12, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Gee, now I'm a "respondent". Here's what's in the article now: "In 2000, after fighting broke out in Port Loko between Revolutionary United Front and Unamsil Nibatt members, then-Secretary General of the United Nations Kofi Anan stated there were reports of "an influx of internally-displaced persons" to Ballo Wharf." It shouldn't be in the article. It's a primary source, and you're misinterpreting it, which underscores the danger of citing primary sources. The portion of the source you're using says at the outset: "The following is a near-verbatim transcript of a briefing with UNAMSIL spokesman Hirut Befecadu and military spokesman Lt. Commander Patrick Coker". Based on what follows, I don't believe that Kofi Anan stated that there were reports; he only made the first three points (at the top of the section). The rest is someone else talking, probably either Befecadu or Coker. Moreover, how can you remove a crucial word like "unconfirmed" from the sentence? I'm going to remove the material because I think it's of virtually no value and because it's a primary source. I would reluctantly agree to a rewording, though, something along the lines of: "In 2000, in the context of the UN's Sierra Leone peacekeeping mission, Ballo Wharf was mentioned." That's about all it's good for anyway. If you disagree, talk about it here rather than reverting.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 14:13, 4 July 2011 (UTC)