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Let's have some consensus and compromise here, everyone. What's your opinion and what is your resolution?.-- User:69 01:11, 03 Sept 2006 (PST)
Wildnox, I see you DO have a "TRUE" opinion on this article. Otherwise, you won't bother to change it everyday. If you really like to name people as ballhog, why don't you put all of their names in this article. It will be a gallery of displays, a ballhog hall of fame. I have no idea why you are desperatly trying to put some names on that article.-- User:69 06:52, 03 Sept 2006 (UTC)
What's strange is I have no true opinion on this article, as I only got here through recent changes and don't follow basketball. What I would like to see is a comprimise. My Idea would be to keep the sentence that keeps being debated, but to add counterpoint(something about the fact that the label is subjective, instead of based on a solid criteria). Additional examples of players who have, wether desevered or not, been labeled by some as ball hogs, preferably from more than just the recent years, would make the part in question appear less like picking on two players. -- Wildnox 01:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC) (sorry about the last sentence being kind of a mess)
Well-known current players in the National Basketball Association who have been labeled as ball hogs include Kobe Bryant [1] and Allen Iverson [2].
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If you need an example of who a ballhog is, please see Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson.
Isn't it obvious?
Please stop labeling or providing stereotype of what a ball hog is. Allen Iverson is such a ball hog that he has 7 assists per game? Does that make sense?
Do not put Iverson or Kobe's name in the citation. Just because some beat writers from ESPN or MSNBC say such and such are ballhog doesn't make it true. ESPN and MSNBC are "opinion" columns. The writers intentionally pick those players so they can gain more readers which translate to money.
WARNING: Any citation of any player will be reverted and deleted.
Please stop labeling or providing stereotype of what a ball hog is. Allen Iverson is such a ball hog that he has 7 assists per game? Does that make sense?
Do not put Iverson or Kobe's name in the citation. Just because some beat writers from ESPN or MSNBC say such and such are ballhog doesn't make it true. ESPN and MSNBC are "opinion" columns. The writers intentionally pick those players so they can gain more readers which translate to money.
WARNING: Any citation of any player will be reverted and deleted.
68.196.250.47 15:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
To whomever is doing the Kobe-related edits, please stop. The original page (from Feb. 14) was fine & needs no revision, at least not revision relating to Kobe. -- Makarios 18:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
The picture of Kobe should be taken off this page. As it is obviously very biased and unncessary.
Yeah it is so biased. This whole wikipedia is in love with nash and biased with Kobe. AND BTW it was PS2PCGAmer, an ADMINISTRATOR, who added the Kobe pic. Man, that is just sad. Well I am fighting for a fair Wikipedia in terms of Kobe and Nash, anyone who is sick of this kind of pics help me out. Hganesan 01:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)hganesan
Whoever keeps removing pictures from this page please stop this is considred vandalism.
It is not vandalism if it makes the article better and more accurate. They are not known to be ballhogs often, and they are only known to be that by their staunchest critics. The pictures are blatant pov pictures.
I am no sockpuppet, I'm going to continue of clean up what you post as well as the other biased people here. You cannot just put up pov like that.
The use of pictures to illustrate the article is not POV. Kobe is mentioned as a ball hog in the article (cited as well) so it is entirely appropriate to use an image here. It would perhaps be POV if there was a picture of Kobe but he wasn't mentioned in the article. For the same reason, the image of Iverson was appropriate, but was removed due to copyright (it's not fair use). Simishag 02:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Having a pic here is probably not the best thing in light of the apparently irresistable urge of everyone to change it to their own personal least favs. It also doesn't really shed any light on the nature of ball-hogging. So I have removed it, and hope that the article will stay pic-free. Obviously, if someone has a compelling reason to include a pic, we should be open to discussion. CenozoicEra 21:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
If a picture is available for an article it should be used. Kobe bryant is mentioned in the article as often being singled out for being a ball-hogg therefore it makes sense to include his picture since one is available. Wikipedia generally has a large prefference of including pictures in articles if they are available. Brodey 19 July 2006 (UTC)
This material is generally self-evident. If someone really wanted to, I suppose one could demand a citation for each and every sentence. I don't think that this tag is appropriate for this article. Please use the FACT tag if and where you think it is needed. Of course, bear in mind that there are no official statistics for ball-hogging (and it's too subjective a term to even be nailed down), so any facts offered in support would almost certainly constitute original research. - CenozoicEra 00:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but as great a player as Kobe is, he's a hungus. The only way a teammate could ever possibly hope to get the ball is to steal it off of him. His picture is absolutely necessary to help readers understand what is the epitome of a ball hog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.48.10.6 ( talk) 03:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
KOBE BRYANT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan Hickman ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
KOBE BRYANT IS A MAJOR BALLHOG. Dan Hickman ( talk) 13:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
If there is a list of floppers on the flopper page (which i oppose), i think we should have a list of ball hoggers here also. {..::M@®©™ ::..} ( talk) 04:51, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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Let's have some consensus and compromise here, everyone. What's your opinion and what is your resolution?.-- User:69 01:11, 03 Sept 2006 (PST)
Wildnox, I see you DO have a "TRUE" opinion on this article. Otherwise, you won't bother to change it everyday. If you really like to name people as ballhog, why don't you put all of their names in this article. It will be a gallery of displays, a ballhog hall of fame. I have no idea why you are desperatly trying to put some names on that article.-- User:69 06:52, 03 Sept 2006 (UTC)
What's strange is I have no true opinion on this article, as I only got here through recent changes and don't follow basketball. What I would like to see is a comprimise. My Idea would be to keep the sentence that keeps being debated, but to add counterpoint(something about the fact that the label is subjective, instead of based on a solid criteria). Additional examples of players who have, wether desevered or not, been labeled by some as ball hogs, preferably from more than just the recent years, would make the part in question appear less like picking on two players. -- Wildnox 01:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC) (sorry about the last sentence being kind of a mess)
Well-known current players in the National Basketball Association who have been labeled as ball hogs include Kobe Bryant [1] and Allen Iverson [2].
means
If you need an example of who a ballhog is, please see Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson.
Isn't it obvious?
Please stop labeling or providing stereotype of what a ball hog is. Allen Iverson is such a ball hog that he has 7 assists per game? Does that make sense?
Do not put Iverson or Kobe's name in the citation. Just because some beat writers from ESPN or MSNBC say such and such are ballhog doesn't make it true. ESPN and MSNBC are "opinion" columns. The writers intentionally pick those players so they can gain more readers which translate to money.
WARNING: Any citation of any player will be reverted and deleted.
Please stop labeling or providing stereotype of what a ball hog is. Allen Iverson is such a ball hog that he has 7 assists per game? Does that make sense?
Do not put Iverson or Kobe's name in the citation. Just because some beat writers from ESPN or MSNBC say such and such are ballhog doesn't make it true. ESPN and MSNBC are "opinion" columns. The writers intentionally pick those players so they can gain more readers which translate to money.
WARNING: Any citation of any player will be reverted and deleted.
68.196.250.47 15:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
To whomever is doing the Kobe-related edits, please stop. The original page (from Feb. 14) was fine & needs no revision, at least not revision relating to Kobe. -- Makarios 18:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
The picture of Kobe should be taken off this page. As it is obviously very biased and unncessary.
Yeah it is so biased. This whole wikipedia is in love with nash and biased with Kobe. AND BTW it was PS2PCGAmer, an ADMINISTRATOR, who added the Kobe pic. Man, that is just sad. Well I am fighting for a fair Wikipedia in terms of Kobe and Nash, anyone who is sick of this kind of pics help me out. Hganesan 01:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)hganesan
Whoever keeps removing pictures from this page please stop this is considred vandalism.
It is not vandalism if it makes the article better and more accurate. They are not known to be ballhogs often, and they are only known to be that by their staunchest critics. The pictures are blatant pov pictures.
I am no sockpuppet, I'm going to continue of clean up what you post as well as the other biased people here. You cannot just put up pov like that.
The use of pictures to illustrate the article is not POV. Kobe is mentioned as a ball hog in the article (cited as well) so it is entirely appropriate to use an image here. It would perhaps be POV if there was a picture of Kobe but he wasn't mentioned in the article. For the same reason, the image of Iverson was appropriate, but was removed due to copyright (it's not fair use). Simishag 02:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Having a pic here is probably not the best thing in light of the apparently irresistable urge of everyone to change it to their own personal least favs. It also doesn't really shed any light on the nature of ball-hogging. So I have removed it, and hope that the article will stay pic-free. Obviously, if someone has a compelling reason to include a pic, we should be open to discussion. CenozoicEra 21:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
If a picture is available for an article it should be used. Kobe bryant is mentioned in the article as often being singled out for being a ball-hogg therefore it makes sense to include his picture since one is available. Wikipedia generally has a large prefference of including pictures in articles if they are available. Brodey 19 July 2006 (UTC)
This material is generally self-evident. If someone really wanted to, I suppose one could demand a citation for each and every sentence. I don't think that this tag is appropriate for this article. Please use the FACT tag if and where you think it is needed. Of course, bear in mind that there are no official statistics for ball-hogging (and it's too subjective a term to even be nailed down), so any facts offered in support would almost certainly constitute original research. - CenozoicEra 00:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but as great a player as Kobe is, he's a hungus. The only way a teammate could ever possibly hope to get the ball is to steal it off of him. His picture is absolutely necessary to help readers understand what is the epitome of a ball hog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.48.10.6 ( talk) 03:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
KOBE BRYANT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan Hickman ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
KOBE BRYANT IS A MAJOR BALLHOG. Dan Hickman ( talk) 13:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
If there is a list of floppers on the flopper page (which i oppose), i think we should have a list of ball hoggers here also. {..::M@®©™ ::..} ( talk) 04:51, 24 April 2010 (UTC)