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With the science of the connections between fossil fuel extraction, CO2 emissions, and climate change becoming a mature field, it seems that it is time to start including a discussion of the CO2 emissions and the associated climate change impacts associated with full development of the Bakken reserves and the reserves of other large oil/gas producing areas. I can probably start some research on it, but maybe another contributor is more knowledgeable to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PJD412 ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Agreed Ninjalectual ( talk) 01:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Why would Oilshalegas.com get a link to their Bakken resource page, and Bakken.com is not allowed in here and was removed as spam being the Largest Bakken related site news site in the world? Lamicone ( talk) 22:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Am I confusing extracting "oil in shale" from extracting "oil from shale"? The cost of extracting "oil from shale" is prohibitive. From both a $/barrel viewpoint, and an environmental viewpoint. I think this article needs a section examining this problem.
However if I have confused the two, please disregard that comment, and maybe add a section, for slow people like me, explaining that this is not the same as extracting oil from shale. Pommerenke ( talk) 22:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little confused. In one section of the article, it says "is expected to ultimately total 270 million barrels", yet in two paragraphs below, it talks about estimates over a billion. Was the estimates really that far off, or was there a typo? Thanks! (sorry, I'm not sure if I'm asking this question in the right place) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.0.166 ( talk) 22:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Could someone update the yield numbers with the timeframes they go with? XX barrels per day/week/year/lifetime. I don't know typical order of magnitude of these things, and suspect many others also do not, and seeing a number without a time period leaves me wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.139.54 ( talk) 14:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I just read a news article that says, "up to 400 billion barrels of light, sweet crude oil for America's future can be pumped from under Manitoba and North Dakota. That's more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together." ( http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0408/0408dakotaoil.htm )
Is this author confusing oil with technically recoverable oil? If so, would you describe this article as irresponsible? Or is it merely overly optimistic? Maybe Geologyguy would be so kind as to answer these questions. Thanks 199.46.245.231 ( talk) 18:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
"All researchers agree that the Bakken Formation is a tremendous source rock. The controversy lies with how much oil has been generated, what other formations it may have sourced, and how much is ultimately recoverable. Early research on the Bakken started with a 1974 landmark paper by Wallace Dow, a UND Geology graduate, that addressed the oil generation capacity of the Bakken shale. Since that time, several additional papers have re-evaluated the Bakken, each bringing its own controversy over how much oil the Bakken is capable of generating and more importantly, how much of that oil can be economically produced. The current controversy involves a paper by the late Dr. Leigh Price formerly of the United States Geological Survey in Denver, Colorado. He was an innovative thinker that challenged many of the traditional viewpoints of petroleum geochemistry. After an extensive oil sampling program by the North Dakota Geological Survey showed oil from the Bakken is compositionally distinct, further work, additional analyses, and many discussions with Dr. Price resulted in the controversial paper under review. The methods used by Price to determine the amount of hydrocarbons generated by the Bakken and the idea that the oil has not migrated out of the Bakken are under dispute." from http://www.nd.gov/ndic/ic-press/bakken-form-06.pdf WAS 4.250 ( talk) 00:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
The issues you raise are indeed among the important distictions that need to be made to understand the issue here. But it is even more complicated than that. One key change has been that the technologically recoverable oil has increased greatly with the successful development of horizontal drilling. Another key is that the economically recoverable oil is greatly increased with the rise in oil prices. But the main two arguents going on right now among the experts is how much oil has migrated out versus stayed put ("The results of this study were published by Price and LeFever in 1994 and showed that the Bakken is “truly dysfunctional” with no evidence in the analysis that Bakken-generated oil had migrated into the overlying Madison beds, as previously thought." http://www.nd.gov/ndic/ic-press/bakken-form-06.pdf ) and is the geological model presented by Price accurate or not ("The geological model presented by Price in his paper appears solid and is built upon considerable input by North Dakota Geological Survey geologists, samples from the ND Core and Sample Library, and the well files from the Oil and Gas Division. A sophisticated computer program with extensive data input supplied by the ND Geological Survey and Oil and Gas Division places the Bakken generated value at 200 – 300 BBbls. How much of the generated oil is recoverable remains to be determined. Estimates of 50%, 18%, and 3 to 10% have been published. The Bakken play on the North Dakota side of the basin is still early in the learning curve. Technology and the price of oil will dictate what is potentially recoverable from this formation." http://www.nd.gov/ndic/ic-press/bakken-form-06.pdf ). WAS 4.250 ( talk) 12:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Increasing porosity: if 90% is "non recoverable due to shale layer below and above the dolomite which has a low porosity and does not generate large pools of oil, could one or several "huge" non thermonucear explosion(s) at 3-4000 feet accomplish this? ( 72.199.180.224 ( talk) 21:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC))
Saw this semi-fluff story on yahoo news. Could be incorporated into the article in some way. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/ap_on_re_us/overnight_millionaires_1 Gront ( talk) 14:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to write up a section in clear English to dispel some of the hype, rumors and sheer nonsense being circulated on the internet about the Baaken Formation. Yes, this is a substantial formation that, with advanced technology and a whole lot of work, can produce a great deal of oil, but nowhere near the amounts being hyped in floods of e-mail forwards. One message now circulating on the Internet claims the Bakken has "more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today," and suggests the only reason we are not tapping this reserve and making the US energy independent instantaneously is that "OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists." People believe this nonsense, particularly when they are either incapable or unwilling to wade through the technical language and the numbers to figure out the breathless e-mail they received is, on balance, a dangerous fiction. The Baaken Formation is an important find and some people will make a great deal of money from it, but it is not Jed Clampett's miracle. We cannot simply stick a pipe in the ground and get "bubblin' crude." These reserves are difficult and expensive to access and much of it unrecoverable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahgsu ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
So which companies have leases covering which fields? ie: Which companies stand to profit from these resources? Anyone have a clue?
~ender 2009-07-23 —Preceding
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I just found out recently that I own land on these oil reserves, about 20 acres, with the rest of my family we own a total of about 200-300 acres. And I was just recently contacted by Bison Resourses Inc. And they are going to start drilling soon on our lands. So I believe Bison Resourses Inc. is one of the companies that are leased to drill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zkmfdmz ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Where did the name come from? Is it named after a person named Bakken? If so, the omission of that information from the first paragraph of the article is clearly an error. Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:25, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The Bakkens were a family that lived on a farm in the 50's where the first Bakken shale producer was drilled, thus the namesake. 76.120.114.251 ( talk) 03:14, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I did a first-pass cleanup, as there was considerable confusion in this section. Here's what the various sources are estimating, from a hasty review of the "Bakken Formation Reserve Estimates," a North Dakota state government report. This report itself has some internal confusion.
This is still a rough and somewhat confusing section, and I'll get back to it when time permits. Cheers, Pete Tillman ( talk) 22:59, 1 October 2011 (UTC), a mining geologist who knows a little about oil.
How much does it currently cost to produce a barrel of crude oil from this formation? Alberta's Tar Sands experienced a big boom when the price of crude shot up. Tar Sands crude cost over $50 per barrel, so production boomed when the price rose above that.
This article desperately needs the same information.
The article also needs a comparison with other deposits. Saudi Arabia's reserves were used as the yardstick for Alberta and Venezuala's Tar Sands. Both deposits were said to be comparable to Saudi Arabia's deposits. So how does this deposit compare? Geo Swan ( talk) 23:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
I know my English sux, since this is only my "2nd wiki" but I'm asking myself why this passage, which I updated than was removed?
The state Industrial Commission said crude production in September 2011 totaled 464,122 barrels a day, or nearly 123,000 more barrels than September 2010. Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum Council, said the state should end 2011 with about 150 million barrels of oil produced. [1] In fact North Dakota produced 152.985 million barrels in 2011, with a strong increase in the last quarter of the year. In December 2012 the record amount of 23.834 million barrels have been produced in North Dakota. North Dakota Production for 2012 was estimated to reach around 200 million barrels. In fact 242.447 million barrels were produced, much more than estimated. [2]
This is the passage I mean. Today there is of course more actual data available (North Dakota production until September 2013, soon the October 2013 data will follow. The production peaked yet at 28.247 million barrel in August 2013, but the growth will go on and reach the magic number of 1 million barrel per day, which means 30 or 31 million barrel per month. In April 2004 we saw a production of just 2.497 million barrel or 2.405 in April 2003. This were 80,000 barrel per day in 2003, now it is over 900,000 barrel per day and growing! I will read the article now, but if not included I think the problem of transportation should be mentioned...
in mid 2013 I read an article which described that because of shale oil in Texas and North Dakota/Montana the amount of oil transported by oil trucks (usually gas trucks), oil trains and small inland vessels is at a all time high, because there are no pipelines in these areas and to build them does not only cost money, it needs time, which is the best route, get the okay from the authorities and maybe landowners... Kilon22 ( talk) 01:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
References
Crude-Oil Impurities Are Probed in Rail Blasts , WSJ 01/02/14 U.S. Issues Warning on Bakken Shale Oil: Safety Alert Follows Explosions in Train Accidents; Crude May Be More Flammable Than Other Types. WSJ, 1-2-2014.
The article is specifically about Bakken crude (shale oil), which has now been involved in 3 fiery train-wrecks. Regulators are concerned. Most of this info belongs at Bakken or tight oil. There's a bit pertinent to hydraulic fracturing, and I've posted this article at that talk page also.
I'll get tot adding something to articles in a few days. I the meanwhile, if anyone wants full copies of these articles, just ask. Dramatic video also available: flamiig tank cars! -- Pete Tillman ( talk) 23:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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With the science of the connections between fossil fuel extraction, CO2 emissions, and climate change becoming a mature field, it seems that it is time to start including a discussion of the CO2 emissions and the associated climate change impacts associated with full development of the Bakken reserves and the reserves of other large oil/gas producing areas. I can probably start some research on it, but maybe another contributor is more knowledgeable to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PJD412 ( talk • contribs) 20:31, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Agreed Ninjalectual ( talk) 01:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Why would Oilshalegas.com get a link to their Bakken resource page, and Bakken.com is not allowed in here and was removed as spam being the Largest Bakken related site news site in the world? Lamicone ( talk) 22:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Am I confusing extracting "oil in shale" from extracting "oil from shale"? The cost of extracting "oil from shale" is prohibitive. From both a $/barrel viewpoint, and an environmental viewpoint. I think this article needs a section examining this problem.
However if I have confused the two, please disregard that comment, and maybe add a section, for slow people like me, explaining that this is not the same as extracting oil from shale. Pommerenke ( talk) 22:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little confused. In one section of the article, it says "is expected to ultimately total 270 million barrels", yet in two paragraphs below, it talks about estimates over a billion. Was the estimates really that far off, or was there a typo? Thanks! (sorry, I'm not sure if I'm asking this question in the right place) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.0.166 ( talk) 22:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Could someone update the yield numbers with the timeframes they go with? XX barrels per day/week/year/lifetime. I don't know typical order of magnitude of these things, and suspect many others also do not, and seeing a number without a time period leaves me wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.139.54 ( talk) 14:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I just read a news article that says, "up to 400 billion barrels of light, sweet crude oil for America's future can be pumped from under Manitoba and North Dakota. That's more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together." ( http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0408/0408dakotaoil.htm )
Is this author confusing oil with technically recoverable oil? If so, would you describe this article as irresponsible? Or is it merely overly optimistic? Maybe Geologyguy would be so kind as to answer these questions. Thanks 199.46.245.231 ( talk) 18:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
"All researchers agree that the Bakken Formation is a tremendous source rock. The controversy lies with how much oil has been generated, what other formations it may have sourced, and how much is ultimately recoverable. Early research on the Bakken started with a 1974 landmark paper by Wallace Dow, a UND Geology graduate, that addressed the oil generation capacity of the Bakken shale. Since that time, several additional papers have re-evaluated the Bakken, each bringing its own controversy over how much oil the Bakken is capable of generating and more importantly, how much of that oil can be economically produced. The current controversy involves a paper by the late Dr. Leigh Price formerly of the United States Geological Survey in Denver, Colorado. He was an innovative thinker that challenged many of the traditional viewpoints of petroleum geochemistry. After an extensive oil sampling program by the North Dakota Geological Survey showed oil from the Bakken is compositionally distinct, further work, additional analyses, and many discussions with Dr. Price resulted in the controversial paper under review. The methods used by Price to determine the amount of hydrocarbons generated by the Bakken and the idea that the oil has not migrated out of the Bakken are under dispute." from http://www.nd.gov/ndic/ic-press/bakken-form-06.pdf WAS 4.250 ( talk) 00:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
The issues you raise are indeed among the important distictions that need to be made to understand the issue here. But it is even more complicated than that. One key change has been that the technologically recoverable oil has increased greatly with the successful development of horizontal drilling. Another key is that the economically recoverable oil is greatly increased with the rise in oil prices. But the main two arguents going on right now among the experts is how much oil has migrated out versus stayed put ("The results of this study were published by Price and LeFever in 1994 and showed that the Bakken is “truly dysfunctional” with no evidence in the analysis that Bakken-generated oil had migrated into the overlying Madison beds, as previously thought." http://www.nd.gov/ndic/ic-press/bakken-form-06.pdf ) and is the geological model presented by Price accurate or not ("The geological model presented by Price in his paper appears solid and is built upon considerable input by North Dakota Geological Survey geologists, samples from the ND Core and Sample Library, and the well files from the Oil and Gas Division. A sophisticated computer program with extensive data input supplied by the ND Geological Survey and Oil and Gas Division places the Bakken generated value at 200 – 300 BBbls. How much of the generated oil is recoverable remains to be determined. Estimates of 50%, 18%, and 3 to 10% have been published. The Bakken play on the North Dakota side of the basin is still early in the learning curve. Technology and the price of oil will dictate what is potentially recoverable from this formation." http://www.nd.gov/ndic/ic-press/bakken-form-06.pdf ). WAS 4.250 ( talk) 12:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Increasing porosity: if 90% is "non recoverable due to shale layer below and above the dolomite which has a low porosity and does not generate large pools of oil, could one or several "huge" non thermonucear explosion(s) at 3-4000 feet accomplish this? ( 72.199.180.224 ( talk) 21:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC))
Saw this semi-fluff story on yahoo news. Could be incorporated into the article in some way. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/ap_on_re_us/overnight_millionaires_1 Gront ( talk) 14:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to write up a section in clear English to dispel some of the hype, rumors and sheer nonsense being circulated on the internet about the Baaken Formation. Yes, this is a substantial formation that, with advanced technology and a whole lot of work, can produce a great deal of oil, but nowhere near the amounts being hyped in floods of e-mail forwards. One message now circulating on the Internet claims the Bakken has "more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today," and suggests the only reason we are not tapping this reserve and making the US energy independent instantaneously is that "OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists." People believe this nonsense, particularly when they are either incapable or unwilling to wade through the technical language and the numbers to figure out the breathless e-mail they received is, on balance, a dangerous fiction. The Baaken Formation is an important find and some people will make a great deal of money from it, but it is not Jed Clampett's miracle. We cannot simply stick a pipe in the ground and get "bubblin' crude." These reserves are difficult and expensive to access and much of it unrecoverable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahgsu ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
So which companies have leases covering which fields? ie: Which companies stand to profit from these resources? Anyone have a clue?
~ender 2009-07-23 —Preceding
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98.167.219.101 (
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I just found out recently that I own land on these oil reserves, about 20 acres, with the rest of my family we own a total of about 200-300 acres. And I was just recently contacted by Bison Resourses Inc. And they are going to start drilling soon on our lands. So I believe Bison Resourses Inc. is one of the companies that are leased to drill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zkmfdmz ( talk • contribs) 07:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Where did the name come from? Is it named after a person named Bakken? If so, the omission of that information from the first paragraph of the article is clearly an error. Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:25, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The Bakkens were a family that lived on a farm in the 50's where the first Bakken shale producer was drilled, thus the namesake. 76.120.114.251 ( talk) 03:14, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I did a first-pass cleanup, as there was considerable confusion in this section. Here's what the various sources are estimating, from a hasty review of the "Bakken Formation Reserve Estimates," a North Dakota state government report. This report itself has some internal confusion.
This is still a rough and somewhat confusing section, and I'll get back to it when time permits. Cheers, Pete Tillman ( talk) 22:59, 1 October 2011 (UTC), a mining geologist who knows a little about oil.
How much does it currently cost to produce a barrel of crude oil from this formation? Alberta's Tar Sands experienced a big boom when the price of crude shot up. Tar Sands crude cost over $50 per barrel, so production boomed when the price rose above that.
This article desperately needs the same information.
The article also needs a comparison with other deposits. Saudi Arabia's reserves were used as the yardstick for Alberta and Venezuala's Tar Sands. Both deposits were said to be comparable to Saudi Arabia's deposits. So how does this deposit compare? Geo Swan ( talk) 23:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
I know my English sux, since this is only my "2nd wiki" but I'm asking myself why this passage, which I updated than was removed?
The state Industrial Commission said crude production in September 2011 totaled 464,122 barrels a day, or nearly 123,000 more barrels than September 2010. Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum Council, said the state should end 2011 with about 150 million barrels of oil produced. [1] In fact North Dakota produced 152.985 million barrels in 2011, with a strong increase in the last quarter of the year. In December 2012 the record amount of 23.834 million barrels have been produced in North Dakota. North Dakota Production for 2012 was estimated to reach around 200 million barrels. In fact 242.447 million barrels were produced, much more than estimated. [2]
This is the passage I mean. Today there is of course more actual data available (North Dakota production until September 2013, soon the October 2013 data will follow. The production peaked yet at 28.247 million barrel in August 2013, but the growth will go on and reach the magic number of 1 million barrel per day, which means 30 or 31 million barrel per month. In April 2004 we saw a production of just 2.497 million barrel or 2.405 in April 2003. This were 80,000 barrel per day in 2003, now it is over 900,000 barrel per day and growing! I will read the article now, but if not included I think the problem of transportation should be mentioned...
in mid 2013 I read an article which described that because of shale oil in Texas and North Dakota/Montana the amount of oil transported by oil trucks (usually gas trucks), oil trains and small inland vessels is at a all time high, because there are no pipelines in these areas and to build them does not only cost money, it needs time, which is the best route, get the okay from the authorities and maybe landowners... Kilon22 ( talk) 01:40, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
References
Crude-Oil Impurities Are Probed in Rail Blasts , WSJ 01/02/14 U.S. Issues Warning on Bakken Shale Oil: Safety Alert Follows Explosions in Train Accidents; Crude May Be More Flammable Than Other Types. WSJ, 1-2-2014.
The article is specifically about Bakken crude (shale oil), which has now been involved in 3 fiery train-wrecks. Regulators are concerned. Most of this info belongs at Bakken or tight oil. There's a bit pertinent to hydraulic fracturing, and I've posted this article at that talk page also.
I'll get tot adding something to articles in a few days. I the meanwhile, if anyone wants full copies of these articles, just ask. Dramatic video also available: flamiig tank cars! -- Pete Tillman ( talk) 23:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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I suggest that the recent rename/move of Bakken Formation to Bakken formation by user:Amakuru on 28 November 2023 should be reverted. Bakken Formation is a proper name. By capitalising formation, I think that Bakken Formation is consistent with MOS:CAPS, MOS:PROPERNAME and English grammar. Bakken Formation would be consistent with the article titles of hundreds of other Wikipedia articles about specific geological formations that use Formation not formation in their article title - see /info/en/?search=Category:Geologic_formations_by_country. GeoWriter ( talk) 17:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)