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I can't find any sources but it's a fact that at least two Bela Tarr films were shot in and around Baja. These include Satantango and Werckmeister Harmonies -- most obviously the town hall square (or at least, I guess that's what it is). For town boosters and Tarr fans, this is a pretty significant fact. Baja is mentioned vaguely in the credits of Stantango. I haven't seek Werck lately. Badiacrushed ( talk) 16:03, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Image:bajamaphungary1.png|Map of Baja
I doubt this image is free to use; will contact website manager. – Alensha 寫 词 14:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Bunjevci do not constitute a nation in Hungary, in fact, they are not considered to be a "nation" anywhere, except in Serbia, and this is the result of a very recent political development. However, Bunjevci as such do not exist as a recognized national minority in Hungary, consequently there is not such a thing as Bunjevci language in Baja. Nevertheless, there is a certainly a bunjevci dialect, which is, in Hungary (and everywhere but is Serbia), considered to be a dialect of the Croatian language. Geographical names in official Croatian language and in Bunjevci dialect correspond to each other anyway. -- Vedran.b 19:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Check 1910 census in the Kingdom of Hungary and you will see that Bunjevac language was listed separatelly back then. It might be not "officially" recognized today, but:
PANONIAN, I am Panonian too, and I am also Bunjevac, and I hope you agree that it is perhaps better not to discuss my national identity here.
Yes, in 2001, there were 263 Bunjevci in Baja, out of 37,916, the total of the population of the town! But this is not the point. Nevertheless, I can't wait when you are going to put the Hungarian name of Belgrade right in the first sentece of the article on the Serb capital. There are more than two thousend of Hungarians living there, and the city has got quite a long Hungarian related history too (My goodness, I've never thought of it, but it could turn out that the Hungarian related History of Belgrade was longer than that, which is explicitely Serbian!).
All Croatians, whom I now in Baja (and also in Subotica) are Bunjevci. On the other hand, it is true, that this, for some funny reason, is not commutative any more: There are some Bunjevci, who does not want to consider themselves as Croatians. You know probably very well, that the recent Bunjevci issue is a very complex "problem", and it is still discussed very much. However, I don't agree with your view that every group that would claim that it was an ethnic group, it is actually one. In Hungary, there are some people who began to call themselves to be "Huns", or others "Turanians", and, what is more, they already collected the thousend signature which is necessairy for the official recognition to be a national minority in Hungary. There is a law endeed, which says that all these old-new national groups should have the right to be an ethnic group, if they "want". But this is all about national identity? It is also a fact that there is possible to gain quite a lot of money with declairing that "we" are a seperate religious or national group. I heared recently that some people are already playing with the idea to proclaim a homosexual nation too. It would be a graet fun, wouldn't it be?!
I agree, of course, that Bunjevci and our history in Baja has to be mentioned in this article. But the existence of a "Bunjevci language" is like saying that there was a "Banatian Slavic", or "Panonian Slavic" language, which is not Serb, not Croat, or whatsoever, but a language on its own right. If there were some poeple, who would claim this, is it automatically a fact that it was actually a seperate lanbuage?
"Bunjevac language", as far as I know, is not yet recognized in Serbia either! Unfortunatelly, I have to be sure, that it will be soon. -- Vedran.b 02:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
As someone living in North America who does not have a dog in this Baja fight vis which culture or people should dominate Baja, might I just observe that parts of the "article" as well as the above discussion section "Bunjevcies" clearly shows there is strong [irredentist]] editorializing in the article. Let's clean it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bundas ( talk • contribs) 15:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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I can't find any sources but it's a fact that at least two Bela Tarr films were shot in and around Baja. These include Satantango and Werckmeister Harmonies -- most obviously the town hall square (or at least, I guess that's what it is). For town boosters and Tarr fans, this is a pretty significant fact. Baja is mentioned vaguely in the credits of Stantango. I haven't seek Werck lately. Badiacrushed ( talk) 16:03, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Image:bajamaphungary1.png|Map of Baja
I doubt this image is free to use; will contact website manager. – Alensha 寫 词 14:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Bunjevci do not constitute a nation in Hungary, in fact, they are not considered to be a "nation" anywhere, except in Serbia, and this is the result of a very recent political development. However, Bunjevci as such do not exist as a recognized national minority in Hungary, consequently there is not such a thing as Bunjevci language in Baja. Nevertheless, there is a certainly a bunjevci dialect, which is, in Hungary (and everywhere but is Serbia), considered to be a dialect of the Croatian language. Geographical names in official Croatian language and in Bunjevci dialect correspond to each other anyway. -- Vedran.b 19:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Check 1910 census in the Kingdom of Hungary and you will see that Bunjevac language was listed separatelly back then. It might be not "officially" recognized today, but:
PANONIAN, I am Panonian too, and I am also Bunjevac, and I hope you agree that it is perhaps better not to discuss my national identity here.
Yes, in 2001, there were 263 Bunjevci in Baja, out of 37,916, the total of the population of the town! But this is not the point. Nevertheless, I can't wait when you are going to put the Hungarian name of Belgrade right in the first sentece of the article on the Serb capital. There are more than two thousend of Hungarians living there, and the city has got quite a long Hungarian related history too (My goodness, I've never thought of it, but it could turn out that the Hungarian related History of Belgrade was longer than that, which is explicitely Serbian!).
All Croatians, whom I now in Baja (and also in Subotica) are Bunjevci. On the other hand, it is true, that this, for some funny reason, is not commutative any more: There are some Bunjevci, who does not want to consider themselves as Croatians. You know probably very well, that the recent Bunjevci issue is a very complex "problem", and it is still discussed very much. However, I don't agree with your view that every group that would claim that it was an ethnic group, it is actually one. In Hungary, there are some people who began to call themselves to be "Huns", or others "Turanians", and, what is more, they already collected the thousend signature which is necessairy for the official recognition to be a national minority in Hungary. There is a law endeed, which says that all these old-new national groups should have the right to be an ethnic group, if they "want". But this is all about national identity? It is also a fact that there is possible to gain quite a lot of money with declairing that "we" are a seperate religious or national group. I heared recently that some people are already playing with the idea to proclaim a homosexual nation too. It would be a graet fun, wouldn't it be?!
I agree, of course, that Bunjevci and our history in Baja has to be mentioned in this article. But the existence of a "Bunjevci language" is like saying that there was a "Banatian Slavic", or "Panonian Slavic" language, which is not Serb, not Croat, or whatsoever, but a language on its own right. If there were some poeple, who would claim this, is it automatically a fact that it was actually a seperate lanbuage?
"Bunjevac language", as far as I know, is not yet recognized in Serbia either! Unfortunatelly, I have to be sure, that it will be soon. -- Vedran.b 02:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
As someone living in North America who does not have a dog in this Baja fight vis which culture or people should dominate Baja, might I just observe that parts of the "article" as well as the above discussion section "Bunjevcies" clearly shows there is strong [irredentist]] editorializing in the article. Let's clean it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bundas ( talk • contribs) 15:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)