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Updated the article to include bait cars which are immobilized to catch people who attempt thefts from vehicle. Conscientia ( talk) 02:05, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
1st paragraph, 3rd line, it says the doors are locked "from the inside". They would be locked from the outside in this situation. Locking from the inside would be the normal way a car door locks. 72.130.241.142 ( talk) 06:47, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Edited the article to remove this inside/outside ambiguity. Conscientia ( talk) 02:05, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not very good at this "wiki" stuff, but there is a great story on bait cars that could be included on this page:
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005011618
Text copied below:
Police Lose "Bait Car" When GPS Fails To Work
September 28, 2006 5:00 p.m. EST
Matthew Borghese - All Headline News Staff Writer Dallas, TX (AHN) - Police in Texas have lost a car intended to catch thieves. Known as a "bait car," police install special equipment in a vehicle and leave it around for a thief to steal. However, Dallas police say the GPS location unit failed, and now the car's gone without a trace. Lt. Rick Watson of the Dallas Police Department tells the Associated Press, "The GPS system tells us where they are at and how fast they are going." "We want the car stolen. Yes, we do. But, then we want it recovered with the individual that stole it." Also, police don't want to give away any info on the car, as doing so would make it almost impossible to use again if its recovered. "Really what we are hoping for right now is the individual that took it - doesn't realize what he has," said Watson.
I just noticed that there's also a Decoy car article. Any reason why these shouldn't be merged? Bobanny 16:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The practice does not violate entrapment laws, since suspects are not persuaded to steal the vehicle by any means other than its availability and their own motivation
A mere absence of incitement does not make bait car legal; some jurisdictions have more strict laws regarding entrapment (see entrapment article for more details). GregorB ( talk) 20:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
There's no entrapment, so long as the police don't interact with the suspects. Once they do, it's a bit more muddled. This couple had just such an experience, and the prosecutor's seemed eager to make a deal rather than go to trial on those facts. http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/26/0726baitcar.html 68.36.78.161 ( talk) 08:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/26/0726baitcar.html
Here is a relevant story about a homeowner who reports an abandoned vehicle to the police in Texas. When the police don't move the car and it remains parked for several more days, he tries to figure out who it belongs to and is arrested for theft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.155.54 ( talk) 01:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
I am surprised that the word "entrapment" doesn't even appear in this article. I think it would be very relevant to the article to include a section saying whether or not the use of a bait car is considered entrapment. It would also be helpful to include cases which decided if, when, and where the use of a bait car is considered entrapment or illegal in any way and in any jurisdictions within the United States and around the world. I feel very confident that many individuals have Googled "Bait Car" after seeing the television series on TruTV and wondered about the legality/constitutionality of this law enforcement tactic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostrealist513 ( talk • contribs) 04:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
No, as entrapment must meet one of the following requirements:
-The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime. -Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not the same as persuading them to commit that crime. - The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before interaction with the government agents.
It does not apply to a bait car.
17:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.223.202 ( talk)
Wikpedia goes by verifiablity not truth. The police department's official position says it's not entrapment so case closed as far as wikipedia is concerned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.135.183 ( talk) 03:25, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello, the wikipedia page currently uses a citation (no. 6, ^ IMPACT Autotheft Prevention. , http://www.baitcar.com/prevention) to support an alarming statistic that auto theft in British Columbia has reduced 55% since the introduction of the Bait Car program. The citation however is from "BaitCar.com" which has a very obvious interest in promoting the police action in the most positive light.
BaitCar.com however fails to cite the statistic or in any way illustrate how it was determined. This is most certainly not credible enough to act as the sole source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.128.65 ( talk) 18:57, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
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Updated the article to include bait cars which are immobilized to catch people who attempt thefts from vehicle. Conscientia ( talk) 02:05, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
1st paragraph, 3rd line, it says the doors are locked "from the inside". They would be locked from the outside in this situation. Locking from the inside would be the normal way a car door locks. 72.130.241.142 ( talk) 06:47, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Edited the article to remove this inside/outside ambiguity. Conscientia ( talk) 02:05, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not very good at this "wiki" stuff, but there is a great story on bait cars that could be included on this page:
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005011618
Text copied below:
Police Lose "Bait Car" When GPS Fails To Work
September 28, 2006 5:00 p.m. EST
Matthew Borghese - All Headline News Staff Writer Dallas, TX (AHN) - Police in Texas have lost a car intended to catch thieves. Known as a "bait car," police install special equipment in a vehicle and leave it around for a thief to steal. However, Dallas police say the GPS location unit failed, and now the car's gone without a trace. Lt. Rick Watson of the Dallas Police Department tells the Associated Press, "The GPS system tells us where they are at and how fast they are going." "We want the car stolen. Yes, we do. But, then we want it recovered with the individual that stole it." Also, police don't want to give away any info on the car, as doing so would make it almost impossible to use again if its recovered. "Really what we are hoping for right now is the individual that took it - doesn't realize what he has," said Watson.
I just noticed that there's also a Decoy car article. Any reason why these shouldn't be merged? Bobanny 16:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The practice does not violate entrapment laws, since suspects are not persuaded to steal the vehicle by any means other than its availability and their own motivation
A mere absence of incitement does not make bait car legal; some jurisdictions have more strict laws regarding entrapment (see entrapment article for more details). GregorB ( talk) 20:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
There's no entrapment, so long as the police don't interact with the suspects. Once they do, it's a bit more muddled. This couple had just such an experience, and the prosecutor's seemed eager to make a deal rather than go to trial on those facts. http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/26/0726baitcar.html 68.36.78.161 ( talk) 08:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/26/0726baitcar.html
Here is a relevant story about a homeowner who reports an abandoned vehicle to the police in Texas. When the police don't move the car and it remains parked for several more days, he tries to figure out who it belongs to and is arrested for theft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.101.155.54 ( talk) 01:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
I am surprised that the word "entrapment" doesn't even appear in this article. I think it would be very relevant to the article to include a section saying whether or not the use of a bait car is considered entrapment. It would also be helpful to include cases which decided if, when, and where the use of a bait car is considered entrapment or illegal in any way and in any jurisdictions within the United States and around the world. I feel very confident that many individuals have Googled "Bait Car" after seeing the television series on TruTV and wondered about the legality/constitutionality of this law enforcement tactic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostrealist513 ( talk • contribs) 04:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
No, as entrapment must meet one of the following requirements:
-The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime. -Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not the same as persuading them to commit that crime. - The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before interaction with the government agents.
It does not apply to a bait car.
17:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.223.202 ( talk)
Wikpedia goes by verifiablity not truth. The police department's official position says it's not entrapment so case closed as far as wikipedia is concerned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.135.183 ( talk) 03:25, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello, the wikipedia page currently uses a citation (no. 6, ^ IMPACT Autotheft Prevention. , http://www.baitcar.com/prevention) to support an alarming statistic that auto theft in British Columbia has reduced 55% since the introduction of the Bait Car program. The citation however is from "BaitCar.com" which has a very obvious interest in promoting the police action in the most positive light.
BaitCar.com however fails to cite the statistic or in any way illustrate how it was determined. This is most certainly not credible enough to act as the sole source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.128.65 ( talk) 18:57, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
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