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I've tried an succeeded elsewhere but it took a long time to get it to work. I'm talking about compiling maps from the various cities (see Rawalpindi on the right and imagine compiling them all. Just a suggestion if anyone wants to try. My previous work, as a possible model, was at Bahá'í Faith in the United Arab Emirates Smkolins ( talk) 11:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
After changing a couple URLs, when I compare these revisions, after Line 14 it shows a very long paragraph all in red: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith_in_Pakistan&action=historysubmit&diff=370826614&oldid=370693604 . However, the byte count has only changed minimally.
This post is just to alert mods that I didn't make major changes and there was no vandalism. Jonah Winters ( talk) 18:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Gazelle55 Again sorry, for, the matter is of “Bahais of Pakistan” and not “Bahais of US.I added a subsection on this page Mason Remey's Influence "In 1960 when Mason Remey made his unsuccessful claims for leadership, a small group of Baha’i’s in Pakistan accepted his claims and published some materials from 1965 through 1972. Mason Remy appointed local assembly of Rawalpindi in Pakistan as the mother assembly. with report from the mother assembly, Remy decided on the number of delegates to be elected for National Spiritual Assembely (Announcement from Mason Remy, November 30, 1962) Finally the NSA of Remy group was formed in 1963. Remy announced that almost all the Baha’is in Pakistan accepted Remy as second guardian." Cuñado removed the last sentence” Remy announced that……….. “and replaced it by “national assembly loyal to Remey, which was only active for a few years” The replacement done by Cunado is not found in any of his references it is his own judgment. MacEoin reference is dead and Momen does not contain it. It is anti-Orthodox Baha’i statement in the name of neutrality. And clean-up process. Jammu58 ( talk) 15:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
His thesis is from the Islamic University of Islamabad and starts with,
In the name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful. All Praise be to Almighty Allah Who is the Creator of the whole universe and the Benefactor of the mankind. Allah says in Holy Qur’┐n, the last and the ultimate source of guidance: ‘Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares a way out. And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine.’(65:2-3) The blessings and mercy of Allah be upon His last messenger, Mu╒ammad, the Prophet of mercy for the whole world.
It is a useful source and mostly well written, but its open bias should be taken into account and in-text attribution clear for any statements that are likely to be challenged. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
All three of these spellings seem to have appeared on Wikipedia. I standardized to Bábí on this page, but does anyone know if this is correct according to Baha'i orthography? Gazelle55 ( talk) 15:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Serv181920, you have consistently elevated the prominence of lower statistical data for Baha'is across many pages. In this case you moved two sources from a lower section to the opening paragraph. Those are not good sources to estimate the number of Baha'is (or ethnicity) and it shows your bias. The government of Pakistan has a registration system where people self-identify religion with the state, and it shows over 30,000 Baha'is. Shoba Das and Abdul Fareed did not perform any serious research, have no credentials in demography, and did nothing more than talk to a few Baha'is. Fareed contradicts himself on the same page by saying, "However, the statistics offered by NADRA has to be believed." and "A large number of the Bahá’ís of Pakistan belong to the rural areas of the province Sindhi. There are many Hindu tribes in the rural Sindh called the Bhels and Meghwar. A significant number of these tribesmen accepted the Bahá’í faith and converted to Bahá’ísm." Nobody counts the number of Muslims in town by attending all the mosques and counting attendance. Actual demographers know that. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 14:55, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Well here is an attempt, but citing a specific source and number lacks the "summary" character of the lead. Not ideal but it seems like this or the "3-87 thousand" is the only way to get a consensus. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 20:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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I've tried an succeeded elsewhere but it took a long time to get it to work. I'm talking about compiling maps from the various cities (see Rawalpindi on the right and imagine compiling them all. Just a suggestion if anyone wants to try. My previous work, as a possible model, was at Bahá'í Faith in the United Arab Emirates Smkolins ( talk) 11:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
After changing a couple URLs, when I compare these revisions, after Line 14 it shows a very long paragraph all in red: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith_in_Pakistan&action=historysubmit&diff=370826614&oldid=370693604 . However, the byte count has only changed minimally.
This post is just to alert mods that I didn't make major changes and there was no vandalism. Jonah Winters ( talk) 18:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Gazelle55 Again sorry, for, the matter is of “Bahais of Pakistan” and not “Bahais of US.I added a subsection on this page Mason Remey's Influence "In 1960 when Mason Remey made his unsuccessful claims for leadership, a small group of Baha’i’s in Pakistan accepted his claims and published some materials from 1965 through 1972. Mason Remy appointed local assembly of Rawalpindi in Pakistan as the mother assembly. with report from the mother assembly, Remy decided on the number of delegates to be elected for National Spiritual Assembely (Announcement from Mason Remy, November 30, 1962) Finally the NSA of Remy group was formed in 1963. Remy announced that almost all the Baha’is in Pakistan accepted Remy as second guardian." Cuñado removed the last sentence” Remy announced that……….. “and replaced it by “national assembly loyal to Remey, which was only active for a few years” The replacement done by Cunado is not found in any of his references it is his own judgment. MacEoin reference is dead and Momen does not contain it. It is anti-Orthodox Baha’i statement in the name of neutrality. And clean-up process. Jammu58 ( talk) 15:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
His thesis is from the Islamic University of Islamabad and starts with,
In the name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful. All Praise be to Almighty Allah Who is the Creator of the whole universe and the Benefactor of the mankind. Allah says in Holy Qur’┐n, the last and the ultimate source of guidance: ‘Such is the admonition given to him who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And for those who fear Allah, He (ever) prepares a way out. And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine.’(65:2-3) The blessings and mercy of Allah be upon His last messenger, Mu╒ammad, the Prophet of mercy for the whole world.
It is a useful source and mostly well written, but its open bias should be taken into account and in-text attribution clear for any statements that are likely to be challenged. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
All three of these spellings seem to have appeared on Wikipedia. I standardized to Bábí on this page, but does anyone know if this is correct according to Baha'i orthography? Gazelle55 ( talk) 15:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Serv181920, you have consistently elevated the prominence of lower statistical data for Baha'is across many pages. In this case you moved two sources from a lower section to the opening paragraph. Those are not good sources to estimate the number of Baha'is (or ethnicity) and it shows your bias. The government of Pakistan has a registration system where people self-identify religion with the state, and it shows over 30,000 Baha'is. Shoba Das and Abdul Fareed did not perform any serious research, have no credentials in demography, and did nothing more than talk to a few Baha'is. Fareed contradicts himself on the same page by saying, "However, the statistics offered by NADRA has to be believed." and "A large number of the Bahá’ís of Pakistan belong to the rural areas of the province Sindhi. There are many Hindu tribes in the rural Sindh called the Bhels and Meghwar. A significant number of these tribesmen accepted the Bahá’í faith and converted to Bahá’ísm." Nobody counts the number of Muslims in town by attending all the mosques and counting attendance. Actual demographers know that. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 14:55, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Well here is an attempt, but citing a specific source and number lacks the "summary" character of the lead. Not ideal but it seems like this or the "3-87 thousand" is the only way to get a consensus. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 20:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)