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I have reverted the mass removal of images from the page. All of these images illustrate the characters they depict, and as such fall within the fair use purposes for which they were uploaded. Smerdis of Tlön 22:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
As this article has no citations, and it's understanding of bad girl art completely contradicted the article on Good girl art, i have stubbified it. I think it is just a type of good girl art, and should be merged there. The target already mentions it, with one source, so has more cited info than here, so merging just needs redirecting (which i did, but was undone). Note there are 2 editors above saying the same thing. Yob Mod 08:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I also oppose merging these two terms. I'm coming a little late to the discussion, but it appears that Smerdis of Tlön has resolved the problem of the lack of reliable references. Nice work, Smerdis! So we now have a definition, complete with a reliable source. I don't own the book, but a quick check on Amazon's "Look Inside the Book" shows that the book does indeed have both "good girl art" and "bad girl art" listed on the index page. So, I think that it's fair to say that the concept in general is not original research.
Defining genres is tricky business. If you don't believe me, look at any rock band article on Wikipedia. The edit wars over how to define Guns 'N Roses are enough to drive one insane. But it seems clear to me that a major distinction between these two artistic trends—I hesitate to say "movements"—is time. Good Girl Art is something which took place three decades prior to Bad Girl Art. And it appears that the former influenced the name of the latter (although it would be nice to have a ref for that). Also, the object of the adjective is not the same: "good" modifies "art" whereas "bad" modifies "girl". Note that this isn't my ad hoc definition - this comes from the source listed in the article. One could argue that both genres are really just the same thing, but that would be original research. Someone else may have made that argument in a reliable source, however, in which case it would be reasonable item to include in the article.
But, since the article is being fleshed out nicely—That's a bad pun, isn't it? Sorry.—I'm glad that this agitation occurred. The article is much improved. And due to that improvement, the definition of Bad Girl Art as something distinct from Good Girl Art is now elucidated. As such, I am in favor of keep the two articles separate. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Does Tomb Raider, as she is referred to on the current list(instead of Lara Croft), or Danger Girl, count as bad girls? That is a case of good girl art from the pictures I've seen. Do either have blood on them, ripped clothing, or overly sexual poses? Their clothing isn't that revealing at all. I clicked on the link to Danger Girl, and didn't see anything in the pictures there, that would qualify under the bad girl definition. Dream Focus 22:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The policy referenced by the tag doesn't provide much by way of specifics. Obviously, this article is incomplete without illustrations; and given the time referenced, any illustration will be under copyright. I removed the Shi image and replaced it with an image of Purgatori from her article, because it seemed closer to the core definition. I cut the images down to three, and left the two that seemed most easily to relate to the theme, and expanded the text in their captions a bit. Unless the re-tagger has a problem, I'd get rid of that tag also. - Smerdis of Tlön ( talk) 04:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
(sigh) If you will allow only one image for the time being, I suppose I would prefer the Angela image. Lady Death is the more widely recognized character, but the Angela image is the most florid version of the style at issue, displays an even more improbable posture, and therefore the best image to illustrate, "what does That Sort of Thing look like?" (Who drew that? It looked like it bore both Turner and McFarlane's signatures, although they are all hard to make out.) Compared to the Angela image, Lady Death is nicely composed and uncluttered. Since the guideline explicitly allows more than one image, and the three I selected all illustrate different aspects of the phenomenon, I still do not understand your intransigence.
I suppose I could try and draw something in the style myself. I am an amateur pinup artist, although I try to pay
fairly close attention to anatomy and prefer clean lines in my own art, largely to avoid the flaws of this sort of material. But any image I were to produce myself would likely start another quarrel about "original research". -
Smerdis of Tlön (
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This article has too few references and reads like an essay. Personal opinions are everywhere. Added template. -- Mr. Guye ( talk) 02:10, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I am a student at Louisiana State University in a Women's Gender Studies class, and I would like to go more in depth into the storyline behind the characters mentioned, the inspiration from the artists to make these characters, background information on the authors and illustrators involved in making these characters come to life, and what each of the characters represent in the Bad Girl Art movement. Saldri3 ( talk) 14:33, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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I have reverted the mass removal of images from the page. All of these images illustrate the characters they depict, and as such fall within the fair use purposes for which they were uploaded. Smerdis of Tlön 22:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
As this article has no citations, and it's understanding of bad girl art completely contradicted the article on Good girl art, i have stubbified it. I think it is just a type of good girl art, and should be merged there. The target already mentions it, with one source, so has more cited info than here, so merging just needs redirecting (which i did, but was undone). Note there are 2 editors above saying the same thing. Yob Mod 08:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I also oppose merging these two terms. I'm coming a little late to the discussion, but it appears that Smerdis of Tlön has resolved the problem of the lack of reliable references. Nice work, Smerdis! So we now have a definition, complete with a reliable source. I don't own the book, but a quick check on Amazon's "Look Inside the Book" shows that the book does indeed have both "good girl art" and "bad girl art" listed on the index page. So, I think that it's fair to say that the concept in general is not original research.
Defining genres is tricky business. If you don't believe me, look at any rock band article on Wikipedia. The edit wars over how to define Guns 'N Roses are enough to drive one insane. But it seems clear to me that a major distinction between these two artistic trends—I hesitate to say "movements"—is time. Good Girl Art is something which took place three decades prior to Bad Girl Art. And it appears that the former influenced the name of the latter (although it would be nice to have a ref for that). Also, the object of the adjective is not the same: "good" modifies "art" whereas "bad" modifies "girl". Note that this isn't my ad hoc definition - this comes from the source listed in the article. One could argue that both genres are really just the same thing, but that would be original research. Someone else may have made that argument in a reliable source, however, in which case it would be reasonable item to include in the article.
But, since the article is being fleshed out nicely—That's a bad pun, isn't it? Sorry.—I'm glad that this agitation occurred. The article is much improved. And due to that improvement, the definition of Bad Girl Art as something distinct from Good Girl Art is now elucidated. As such, I am in favor of keep the two articles separate. -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Does Tomb Raider, as she is referred to on the current list(instead of Lara Croft), or Danger Girl, count as bad girls? That is a case of good girl art from the pictures I've seen. Do either have blood on them, ripped clothing, or overly sexual poses? Their clothing isn't that revealing at all. I clicked on the link to Danger Girl, and didn't see anything in the pictures there, that would qualify under the bad girl definition. Dream Focus 22:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The policy referenced by the tag doesn't provide much by way of specifics. Obviously, this article is incomplete without illustrations; and given the time referenced, any illustration will be under copyright. I removed the Shi image and replaced it with an image of Purgatori from her article, because it seemed closer to the core definition. I cut the images down to three, and left the two that seemed most easily to relate to the theme, and expanded the text in their captions a bit. Unless the re-tagger has a problem, I'd get rid of that tag also. - Smerdis of Tlön ( talk) 04:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
(sigh) If you will allow only one image for the time being, I suppose I would prefer the Angela image. Lady Death is the more widely recognized character, but the Angela image is the most florid version of the style at issue, displays an even more improbable posture, and therefore the best image to illustrate, "what does That Sort of Thing look like?" (Who drew that? It looked like it bore both Turner and McFarlane's signatures, although they are all hard to make out.) Compared to the Angela image, Lady Death is nicely composed and uncluttered. Since the guideline explicitly allows more than one image, and the three I selected all illustrate different aspects of the phenomenon, I still do not understand your intransigence.
I suppose I could try and draw something in the style myself. I am an amateur pinup artist, although I try to pay
fairly close attention to anatomy and prefer clean lines in my own art, largely to avoid the flaws of this sort of material. But any image I were to produce myself would likely start another quarrel about "original research". -
Smerdis of Tlön (
talk) 14:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
This article has too few references and reads like an essay. Personal opinions are everywhere. Added template. -- Mr. Guye ( talk) 02:10, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I am a student at Louisiana State University in a Women's Gender Studies class, and I would like to go more in depth into the storyline behind the characters mentioned, the inspiration from the artists to make these characters, background information on the authors and illustrators involved in making these characters come to life, and what each of the characters represent in the Bad Girl Art movement. Saldri3 ( talk) 14:33, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 September 2023 and 22 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lolitascc ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Nothinbutsierra ( talk) 01:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)