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There have been multiple reverts for the genre in the infobox. Multiple editors have been involved (I am one of them). My reason for reverting was the "pop-trap" genre both nu-goth or pop-trap seem to be obscure genres with passing remarks in sources only about the release of this song. We don't even have articles for these genres yet ... I am not sure this meets the requirements stated here. I will wait for consensus. Dartslilly ( talk) 12:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Overall, it is considered to be under alternative/indie, pop and seasonal genre. According to the Billie Eilish's interview, she wanted to give a message that people are not in a certain way all the time. They will never catch a bad bitch telling everyone she's a bad bitch, it is on them. In order to achieve this message, her music is distinct from "classic pop" and used mixture of sounds, layers to deliver distinct vibe (nme, 2019)
Lyrics: [Verse 1] White shirt now red, my bloody nose Sleepin', you're on your tippy toes Creepin' around like no one knows Think you're so criminal Bruises on both my knees for you Don't say thank you or please I do what I want when I'm wanting to My soul? So cynical
[Chorus] So you're a tough guy Like it really rough guy Just can't get enough guy Chest always so puffed guy I'm that bad type Make your mama sad type Make your girlfriend mad tight Might seduce your dad type I'm the bad guy Duh
[Post-Chorus] I'm the bad guy
[Verse 2] I like it when you take control Even if you know that you don't Own me, I'll let you play the role I'll be your animal My mommy likes to sing along with me But she won't sing this song If she reads all the lyrics She'll pity the men I know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarletpark424 ( talk • contribs) 09:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
In the interests of moving on with my life I have setup redirects for the genres and restored them to the infobox so there is no more dispute between us. I wanted to wait to create the genre articles but I guess we can do that after the genres become established? Dartslilly ( talk) 19:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
This song should not be linked to gothic rock by the "nu-goth" tag, since this song is not in any form related to gothic rock, or as far as I can tell by its sound and influences, not having anything to do with gothic rock or its related genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.132.100.123 ( talk) 10:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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Overall, this is certainly an interesting article. However, I came across this wording in the lead: “Darkroom and Interscope Records released it as...” This may not be clear with those who are unsure about labels in music. This would also collide with
MOS:INTRO, as it advises to avoid “hard-to-understand terminology.”
Please let me know if anything needs to be added or removed. Thatoneweirdwikier ( talk) 17:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I will be adding some comments below. ceran thor 00:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Some take aways: there is some over-reliance on quotations in sections where quotations are not really indicated. The prose could use some polishing. ceran thor 00:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, just before we pass this article, I wanted to point out a slight factual error. In the ‘List of awards and nominations’ section, the MTV Europe Music Award for ‘Best Song’ is currently nowhere to be seen, despite the fact that she won. I don’t know if anyone else was aware of this already, but currently, it’s not been fixed. Many thanks for your time,
Thatone
Apologies. I didn’t realise that this wasn’t only awards for the music video.
We are ready to pass the article. Well done,
Cartoon network freak!
Thatoneweirdwikier
Say hi 06:10, 4 November 2019 (UTC)weirdwikier
Say hi
15:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
How is it possible for "Bad Guy" to have been number one on the Rolling Stone 100 if you review every single week for the chart since its inception in July 2019, it never reached the top position. On the very first chart, it was at 7, then it moved up to 6. From there, it fell to 9, jumped up to 3, dropped to 5, then 7, remained at 7, returned to 6, fell back to 9, bounced back up to 7, before falling out of the top 15 for good. I don't think the "peak position" info when the "+" sign on the RS site is clicked next to the song is an accurate indicator, especially if they are incorporating beta charts. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 23:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Is Billie sitting on the mans back and the text Billie thanking her fans the cover of the Flexi Disc? Beatleswillneverdie ( talk) 67:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
It's really weird that the word "misandry" is in the lead paragraph, even though if you google "Bad Guy Billie Eilish misandry" you get almost nothing, with some results on the first page simply containing excerpts from this article, or earlier versions of it. To me this seems like Wikipedia speaking a very obscure opinion or perspective and pushing it up more than its actual significance. PBZE ( talk) 01:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Can I more photos of Billie here? SAYITWITHYOURCHEST ( talk) 19:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Bad Guy (Billie Eilish song) has been listed as one of the
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please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
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Bad Guy (Billie Eilish song) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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There have been multiple reverts for the genre in the infobox. Multiple editors have been involved (I am one of them). My reason for reverting was the "pop-trap" genre both nu-goth or pop-trap seem to be obscure genres with passing remarks in sources only about the release of this song. We don't even have articles for these genres yet ... I am not sure this meets the requirements stated here. I will wait for consensus. Dartslilly ( talk) 12:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Overall, it is considered to be under alternative/indie, pop and seasonal genre. According to the Billie Eilish's interview, she wanted to give a message that people are not in a certain way all the time. They will never catch a bad bitch telling everyone she's a bad bitch, it is on them. In order to achieve this message, her music is distinct from "classic pop" and used mixture of sounds, layers to deliver distinct vibe (nme, 2019)
Lyrics: [Verse 1] White shirt now red, my bloody nose Sleepin', you're on your tippy toes Creepin' around like no one knows Think you're so criminal Bruises on both my knees for you Don't say thank you or please I do what I want when I'm wanting to My soul? So cynical
[Chorus] So you're a tough guy Like it really rough guy Just can't get enough guy Chest always so puffed guy I'm that bad type Make your mama sad type Make your girlfriend mad tight Might seduce your dad type I'm the bad guy Duh
[Post-Chorus] I'm the bad guy
[Verse 2] I like it when you take control Even if you know that you don't Own me, I'll let you play the role I'll be your animal My mommy likes to sing along with me But she won't sing this song If she reads all the lyrics She'll pity the men I know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scarletpark424 ( talk • contribs) 09:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
In the interests of moving on with my life I have setup redirects for the genres and restored them to the infobox so there is no more dispute between us. I wanted to wait to create the genre articles but I guess we can do that after the genres become established? Dartslilly ( talk) 19:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
This song should not be linked to gothic rock by the "nu-goth" tag, since this song is not in any form related to gothic rock, or as far as I can tell by its sound and influences, not having anything to do with gothic rock or its related genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.132.100.123 ( talk) 10:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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Overall, this is certainly an interesting article. However, I came across this wording in the lead: “Darkroom and Interscope Records released it as...” This may not be clear with those who are unsure about labels in music. This would also collide with
MOS:INTRO, as it advises to avoid “hard-to-understand terminology.”
Please let me know if anything needs to be added or removed. Thatoneweirdwikier ( talk) 17:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I will be adding some comments below. ceran thor 00:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Some take aways: there is some over-reliance on quotations in sections where quotations are not really indicated. The prose could use some polishing. ceran thor 00:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, just before we pass this article, I wanted to point out a slight factual error. In the ‘List of awards and nominations’ section, the MTV Europe Music Award for ‘Best Song’ is currently nowhere to be seen, despite the fact that she won. I don’t know if anyone else was aware of this already, but currently, it’s not been fixed. Many thanks for your time,
Thatone
Apologies. I didn’t realise that this wasn’t only awards for the music video.
We are ready to pass the article. Well done,
Cartoon network freak!
Thatoneweirdwikier
Say hi 06:10, 4 November 2019 (UTC)weirdwikier
Say hi
15:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
How is it possible for "Bad Guy" to have been number one on the Rolling Stone 100 if you review every single week for the chart since its inception in July 2019, it never reached the top position. On the very first chart, it was at 7, then it moved up to 6. From there, it fell to 9, jumped up to 3, dropped to 5, then 7, remained at 7, returned to 6, fell back to 9, bounced back up to 7, before falling out of the top 15 for good. I don't think the "peak position" info when the "+" sign on the RS site is clicked next to the song is an accurate indicator, especially if they are incorporating beta charts. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 23:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Is Billie sitting on the mans back and the text Billie thanking her fans the cover of the Flexi Disc? Beatleswillneverdie ( talk) 67:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
It's really weird that the word "misandry" is in the lead paragraph, even though if you google "Bad Guy Billie Eilish misandry" you get almost nothing, with some results on the first page simply containing excerpts from this article, or earlier versions of it. To me this seems like Wikipedia speaking a very obscure opinion or perspective and pushing it up more than its actual significance. PBZE ( talk) 01:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Can I more photos of Billie here? SAYITWITHYOURCHEST ( talk) 19:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)