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This article was not included in List of Cities in Texas, so I added it there. Someone from the Texas Wikiproject might want to check on other cities that may be omitted from the list. UrsaLinguaBWD ( talk) 20:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
This article should not have passed GA. It is too short, and does not meet the standards of comprehensiveness per WP:WIAGA. The lead section is too short, and doesn't adequately summarize the article. There are many section missing (e.g. government, culture, transportation). Other sections should be drastically reorganized and rewritten. Move 'cityscape' into the 'geography' section, which is WAY to short for GA-quality. 'Crime' better fits as a subsection under demographics. 'Workforce' needs to be completely overhauled and changed to an 'economy' section. All it is right now is spitting out some rather bland statistics.
It might help to review WP:LEAD for tips on writing a good lead section, as well as WP:USCITY for guidelines on the structure and format of a US city article. For now, I am delisting this and relisting at WP:GAN as on hold. Dr. Cash ( talk) 21:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
After a good copyedit, the article meets all GA criteria, and will be listed. Dr. Cash ( talk) 17:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
There is no such person as John Nova Lomax of the Houston Press. A call to the Houston Press verified this. The reference to Crime in Bacliff Houston Press, does not exist. The link to The Houston Press is only another wiki page,with no reference to Bacliff Articles. I appears that this fictions person, John Nova Lomax,or what his other alias may be, has an axe to grind with Bacliff,tx. Sounds more like a personal view then a review of a city in texas. I suggest these bias reviews should be removed. It makes other Wiki page source data suspect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlfulcherjr ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
This is a reply to User:Bayshorebabydoll at User_talk:WhisperToMe#Bacliff.2C_Texas. Before I begin, I must remind everyone that "truth" is not the criterion for inclusion on Wikipedia. It is verifiability - Has it been published in a verifiable source? The page Wikipedia:Verifiability gives more detail on this factor. This is crucial because it means Wikipedia is required to use facts and opinions in published sources such as newspapers, journal articles, and periodicals (with some information from primary sources) and cannot include things that are not published. As for the disputed content, please use this diff. This is the article by the Houston Press that is being disputed. Bayshorebabydoll ( talk) 00:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)Just because a source is verifiable does not mean it is a good source. The appropriateness of any source depends on the context. The best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments. The greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source. Does the Houston Press have such a structure in place?
As for the reply: Yes, thank you for posting your rationale. That way I can better understand why you made certain edits.
Thank you, WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Bayshorebabydoll ( talk) 16:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)So by your own admission the Houston Press article was written in 2008 and some of it could be outdated? Then why should outdated material be included in the Wikipedia entry? Why do the opinions of several individuals from 5years ago merit enough weight to comprise the majority of the Wiki entry? "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic". The previous incarnation used the majority of its information from the Houston Press article, which calls into question undue weight. If you look at the Wiki entries on Texas City, Santa Fe, and Dickinson, which are cities located nearby they rely mostly on facts about these respective places and not quotes from a newspaper article written in the past. This is what the Bacliff article should look like and what I've been modeling my edits on.
Bayshorebabydoll ( talk) 16:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)Because repeated Google searches for Gator Miller did not turn up anyone connected to Bacliff. The Gator Press is out of San Leon, which is right next door to, but a separate area from Bacliff.
Maybe a solution is to see if there are more sources. I am not convinced that the material in the Houston Press should be excluded. But if you feel there is more to Bacliff, please find additional news articles that talk about Bacliff. The Galveston County Daily News may have more info. WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Veterans of Foreign Wars Hall, 1402 Grand Ave., Bacliff. WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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This article was not included in List of Cities in Texas, so I added it there. Someone from the Texas Wikiproject might want to check on other cities that may be omitted from the list. UrsaLinguaBWD ( talk) 20:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
This article should not have passed GA. It is too short, and does not meet the standards of comprehensiveness per WP:WIAGA. The lead section is too short, and doesn't adequately summarize the article. There are many section missing (e.g. government, culture, transportation). Other sections should be drastically reorganized and rewritten. Move 'cityscape' into the 'geography' section, which is WAY to short for GA-quality. 'Crime' better fits as a subsection under demographics. 'Workforce' needs to be completely overhauled and changed to an 'economy' section. All it is right now is spitting out some rather bland statistics.
It might help to review WP:LEAD for tips on writing a good lead section, as well as WP:USCITY for guidelines on the structure and format of a US city article. For now, I am delisting this and relisting at WP:GAN as on hold. Dr. Cash ( talk) 21:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
After a good copyedit, the article meets all GA criteria, and will be listed. Dr. Cash ( talk) 17:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
There is no such person as John Nova Lomax of the Houston Press. A call to the Houston Press verified this. The reference to Crime in Bacliff Houston Press, does not exist. The link to The Houston Press is only another wiki page,with no reference to Bacliff Articles. I appears that this fictions person, John Nova Lomax,or what his other alias may be, has an axe to grind with Bacliff,tx. Sounds more like a personal view then a review of a city in texas. I suggest these bias reviews should be removed. It makes other Wiki page source data suspect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlfulcherjr ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
This is a reply to User:Bayshorebabydoll at User_talk:WhisperToMe#Bacliff.2C_Texas. Before I begin, I must remind everyone that "truth" is not the criterion for inclusion on Wikipedia. It is verifiability - Has it been published in a verifiable source? The page Wikipedia:Verifiability gives more detail on this factor. This is crucial because it means Wikipedia is required to use facts and opinions in published sources such as newspapers, journal articles, and periodicals (with some information from primary sources) and cannot include things that are not published. As for the disputed content, please use this diff. This is the article by the Houston Press that is being disputed. Bayshorebabydoll ( talk) 00:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)Just because a source is verifiable does not mean it is a good source. The appropriateness of any source depends on the context. The best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments. The greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source. Does the Houston Press have such a structure in place?
As for the reply: Yes, thank you for posting your rationale. That way I can better understand why you made certain edits.
Thank you, WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Bayshorebabydoll ( talk) 16:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)So by your own admission the Houston Press article was written in 2008 and some of it could be outdated? Then why should outdated material be included in the Wikipedia entry? Why do the opinions of several individuals from 5years ago merit enough weight to comprise the majority of the Wiki entry? "An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic". The previous incarnation used the majority of its information from the Houston Press article, which calls into question undue weight. If you look at the Wiki entries on Texas City, Santa Fe, and Dickinson, which are cities located nearby they rely mostly on facts about these respective places and not quotes from a newspaper article written in the past. This is what the Bacliff article should look like and what I've been modeling my edits on.
Bayshorebabydoll ( talk) 16:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)Because repeated Google searches for Gator Miller did not turn up anyone connected to Bacliff. The Gator Press is out of San Leon, which is right next door to, but a separate area from Bacliff.
Maybe a solution is to see if there are more sources. I am not convinced that the material in the Houston Press should be excluded. But if you feel there is more to Bacliff, please find additional news articles that talk about Bacliff. The Galveston County Daily News may have more info. WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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