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I think there should be a section on minamlists also. We are much diffrent from you ultralight guys!
How so? Where the ultralights might carry a whole titanium cookset, do minimalists just carry the one cast iron skillet? Are the any sources for the minimalist style? - Will Beback 07:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Ultralights may carry a titanium cookset, when a minimalist may carry a titanium bowl. Ultralights focus on getting the weight of the gear they have down, minimalists focus on carrying less, less gear, less weight, less space in the pack. I.E. I have modified all of my cooking and eating gear to fit inside of a cup. Some even go as far as to cut the handle off of their toothbrushes.
I agree with Will Beback. According to Websters.com, Minimalism: a style or technique (as in music, literature, or design) that is characterized by extreme spareness and simplicity. Is it more beneficial to the reader to create a section specifically to address minimalist practices or elaborate on the lengths to which hikers will go to simplify the experience? Fireclaims 06:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I've created a Winter Backpacking section since there are several distinctions that need to be made there for safety reasons, and hopefully this can be expanded upon. I've included a link to a checklist for winter gear. -- Theetruscan 02:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a good backpacking wiki? (Or even better one that covers related activities such as Canoe camping [Climbing]] etc.) I imagine there's lots of backpacking info that might not fit into wikipedia. Zabdiel 12:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
This exist but needs more people to contribute :) http://www.backpackingwiki.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.63.174.204 ( talk) 20:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I was reading through some of the earlier entries and noticed someone had queried the name. Until I had read the article I had never heard of backpacking in this context. In Australia it is know as bushwalking or hiking. I'd heard of the New Zealand term tramping (I always feel I'm tramping around the bush). Which countries call it backpacking? Thanks Ozdaren ( talk) 09:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
The heading of this article is confusing with its USA bias, as has already been commented on. I'd describe myself as a backpacker, even though I don't really travel in the wilderness, and don't camp but stay in mountain huts, in villages, and very occasionally bivouac. My pack is just lighter than someone who is camping.
I also wonder if the use of the term wilderness is correct here? The Appalachian and other American trails, for example, are maintained, with sometimes simple, man-made shelters, are way marked, and presumably often passes through managed forests, etc. Is backpacking in North America only done in the wilderness? Any comments? Rwood128 ( talk) 17:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Would there be any objection to changing the opening preamble to the following?
Thanks for the comments. I was just using in my suggestion part of the current lead, plus the British walking tour, which for me means several days walking. Tramping apparently usually means at least two days walking, and trekking involves multi-days. It seems that backpacking in Europe is different from that in the USA and Canada, because Europe is more developed, and there are extensive networks of mountain huts and other accommodation in villages, so that camping is often just an option rather than a necessity. I also believe that in New Zealand many trails have huts.
It seems that backpacking, as used here, has a specific North American meaning, and that the current wording doesn't make this sufficiently clear. Also the similarities and differences with similar types of hiking in Europe and elsewhere, such as tramping, need to be better explained. The fact that huts and shelters can be found on some North American trails should also be mentioned in the lead. I find the term undeveloped territory better than wilderness, though what is the correct term for multi-day hikes on trails in developed country in North America? -- such trails do exist. Rwood128 ( talk) 00:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Rwood128 ( talk) 13:38, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I added the following: According to health and medical experts, untreated water found in backcountry settings in the U.S. and Canada is generally quite safe to drink. [1]
There is a link to source material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calamitybrook ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph: Recent research on the topic of consuming untreated water found in backcountry settings in the United States and Canada is beginning to suggest treatment is unnecessary. Cited in this report is a study of a collection of wilderness areas in the Western United States which found infiltrate levels to be well within safe drinking tolerances. State health departments in the U.S. do not find giardia in backcountry settings. "Outbreaks have been linked to contaminated drinking water in small towns, food handlers, and child-care workers who are infected when they change diapers — the researchers didn't find any evidence that wilderness water is a cause." [1] Further research in this topic may eventually shift common opinion away from requiring treatment for most water sources.
Here are some errors that that paragraph contained:
Almost no experts are flatly suggesting that "treatment is unnecessary."
The citation is a newspaper article(!) largely discussing research by one researcher in a specific area of the U.S. The opinions of the author, even IF accurate, cannot dependably by extrapolated to the rest of the world. As a matter of fact that author has said, for example, that he would treat all water along the Appalachian Trail.
Giardia is COMMONLY found in backcountry water sources. The EPA says "(Giardia) Cysts have been found all months of the year in surface waters from the Arctic to the tropics in even the most pristine of surface waters.” http://water.epa.gov/action/advisories/drinking/upload/2009_02_03_criteria_humanhealth_microbial_giardiaha.pdf
There have been verified outbreaks from backcountry drinking water in the U.S., and outbreaks represent less than 1% of giardiasis cases (both facts from the CDC.)
Virtually all public health agencies in the U.S. who have made a statement on the issue recommend treatment of surface water, even in the backcountry. PragmaticRealist ( talk) 19:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
File:VarsityScoutspreparingtoheadoutbackpacking2004.jpg, File:Stinebackpack.jpg should go, though I couldn't find any decent replacements quickly. Strapping uncovered sleeping bags and other equipment to the outside of packs is terrible practice and we should be showing some pictures of people that actually know what they are doing. The image I added gives the reader some idea as to why someone might choose to go overnight backpacking in the first place. More to the point geodesic dome tents are pretty much the most common type used today by serious hikers (only an empirical observation). Noodle snacks ( talk) 02:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
The pictures are the first thing I noticed that is wrong with this entry. I haven't even made it to the actual text yet. These images could have come from a 1970s issue of Boys Life magazine. As a backpacker that has hiked on many continents, I have endless high quality images of hikers and camps and equipment and water filters and stoves and other equipment. Yes, they are my own images, but I would be careful not to add any that actually have ME in them. Is there an issue with this? These pics are awful. So many times on t he trail I see hikers carrying outdated, ineffective equipment purchased form a yard sale or left over from their boy scout years. This is not how backpacking is done anymore. Mccue3g ( talk) 15:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
I believe that the recent edit, which deleted a fair amount was not vandalism but a genuine attempt at improving the article, which is certainly overly wordy in places. However, it might be better to first discuss this here, and to start pruning more slowly. But I'm inclined to agree that the sections "Professional Backpacking" and "Motivation" might well be deleted, or, at least, reduced to sentences elsewhere in the article. Rwood128 ( talk) 21:12, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
please see: Talk:Trekking#Article merge with redirect? - Nabla ( talk) 12:37, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Article merged: See old talk-page
here
References
Backpacking doesn't always involve wilderness, so the title is incorrect – any objections to changing it to, say Backpacking (on foot)? Furthermore, there is the question as to what is wilderness. Someone pointed out to me that what was outside a mountain hut high in the Alps was cow pasture! Rwood128 ( talk) 11:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't associate backpacking necessarily with camping, just carrying a rucsac on my back for more than one day: "the activity of travelling or going camping while carrying your clothes and other things that you need in a backpack" (Cambridge Dictionary). See the lead also. Rwood128 ( talk) 01:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC) A synonym for a walking tour; the kind that Wordsworth and Coleridge did. Rwood128 ( talk) 01:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to Backpacking (hiking) at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
— hike395 ( talk) 14:38, 17 November 2019 (UTC)—Relisting. Cúchullain t/ c 18:45, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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I think there should be a section on minamlists also. We are much diffrent from you ultralight guys!
How so? Where the ultralights might carry a whole titanium cookset, do minimalists just carry the one cast iron skillet? Are the any sources for the minimalist style? - Will Beback 07:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Ultralights may carry a titanium cookset, when a minimalist may carry a titanium bowl. Ultralights focus on getting the weight of the gear they have down, minimalists focus on carrying less, less gear, less weight, less space in the pack. I.E. I have modified all of my cooking and eating gear to fit inside of a cup. Some even go as far as to cut the handle off of their toothbrushes.
I agree with Will Beback. According to Websters.com, Minimalism: a style or technique (as in music, literature, or design) that is characterized by extreme spareness and simplicity. Is it more beneficial to the reader to create a section specifically to address minimalist practices or elaborate on the lengths to which hikers will go to simplify the experience? Fireclaims 06:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I've created a Winter Backpacking section since there are several distinctions that need to be made there for safety reasons, and hopefully this can be expanded upon. I've included a link to a checklist for winter gear. -- Theetruscan 02:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a good backpacking wiki? (Or even better one that covers related activities such as Canoe camping [Climbing]] etc.) I imagine there's lots of backpacking info that might not fit into wikipedia. Zabdiel 12:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
This exist but needs more people to contribute :) http://www.backpackingwiki.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.63.174.204 ( talk) 20:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I was reading through some of the earlier entries and noticed someone had queried the name. Until I had read the article I had never heard of backpacking in this context. In Australia it is know as bushwalking or hiking. I'd heard of the New Zealand term tramping (I always feel I'm tramping around the bush). Which countries call it backpacking? Thanks Ozdaren ( talk) 09:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
The heading of this article is confusing with its USA bias, as has already been commented on. I'd describe myself as a backpacker, even though I don't really travel in the wilderness, and don't camp but stay in mountain huts, in villages, and very occasionally bivouac. My pack is just lighter than someone who is camping.
I also wonder if the use of the term wilderness is correct here? The Appalachian and other American trails, for example, are maintained, with sometimes simple, man-made shelters, are way marked, and presumably often passes through managed forests, etc. Is backpacking in North America only done in the wilderness? Any comments? Rwood128 ( talk) 17:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Would there be any objection to changing the opening preamble to the following?
Thanks for the comments. I was just using in my suggestion part of the current lead, plus the British walking tour, which for me means several days walking. Tramping apparently usually means at least two days walking, and trekking involves multi-days. It seems that backpacking in Europe is different from that in the USA and Canada, because Europe is more developed, and there are extensive networks of mountain huts and other accommodation in villages, so that camping is often just an option rather than a necessity. I also believe that in New Zealand many trails have huts.
It seems that backpacking, as used here, has a specific North American meaning, and that the current wording doesn't make this sufficiently clear. Also the similarities and differences with similar types of hiking in Europe and elsewhere, such as tramping, need to be better explained. The fact that huts and shelters can be found on some North American trails should also be mentioned in the lead. I find the term undeveloped territory better than wilderness, though what is the correct term for multi-day hikes on trails in developed country in North America? -- such trails do exist. Rwood128 ( talk) 00:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Rwood128 ( talk) 13:38, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I added the following: According to health and medical experts, untreated water found in backcountry settings in the U.S. and Canada is generally quite safe to drink. [1]
There is a link to source material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calamitybrook ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph: Recent research on the topic of consuming untreated water found in backcountry settings in the United States and Canada is beginning to suggest treatment is unnecessary. Cited in this report is a study of a collection of wilderness areas in the Western United States which found infiltrate levels to be well within safe drinking tolerances. State health departments in the U.S. do not find giardia in backcountry settings. "Outbreaks have been linked to contaminated drinking water in small towns, food handlers, and child-care workers who are infected when they change diapers — the researchers didn't find any evidence that wilderness water is a cause." [1] Further research in this topic may eventually shift common opinion away from requiring treatment for most water sources.
Here are some errors that that paragraph contained:
Almost no experts are flatly suggesting that "treatment is unnecessary."
The citation is a newspaper article(!) largely discussing research by one researcher in a specific area of the U.S. The opinions of the author, even IF accurate, cannot dependably by extrapolated to the rest of the world. As a matter of fact that author has said, for example, that he would treat all water along the Appalachian Trail.
Giardia is COMMONLY found in backcountry water sources. The EPA says "(Giardia) Cysts have been found all months of the year in surface waters from the Arctic to the tropics in even the most pristine of surface waters.” http://water.epa.gov/action/advisories/drinking/upload/2009_02_03_criteria_humanhealth_microbial_giardiaha.pdf
There have been verified outbreaks from backcountry drinking water in the U.S., and outbreaks represent less than 1% of giardiasis cases (both facts from the CDC.)
Virtually all public health agencies in the U.S. who have made a statement on the issue recommend treatment of surface water, even in the backcountry. PragmaticRealist ( talk) 19:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
File:VarsityScoutspreparingtoheadoutbackpacking2004.jpg, File:Stinebackpack.jpg should go, though I couldn't find any decent replacements quickly. Strapping uncovered sleeping bags and other equipment to the outside of packs is terrible practice and we should be showing some pictures of people that actually know what they are doing. The image I added gives the reader some idea as to why someone might choose to go overnight backpacking in the first place. More to the point geodesic dome tents are pretty much the most common type used today by serious hikers (only an empirical observation). Noodle snacks ( talk) 02:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
The pictures are the first thing I noticed that is wrong with this entry. I haven't even made it to the actual text yet. These images could have come from a 1970s issue of Boys Life magazine. As a backpacker that has hiked on many continents, I have endless high quality images of hikers and camps and equipment and water filters and stoves and other equipment. Yes, they are my own images, but I would be careful not to add any that actually have ME in them. Is there an issue with this? These pics are awful. So many times on t he trail I see hikers carrying outdated, ineffective equipment purchased form a yard sale or left over from their boy scout years. This is not how backpacking is done anymore. Mccue3g ( talk) 15:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
I believe that the recent edit, which deleted a fair amount was not vandalism but a genuine attempt at improving the article, which is certainly overly wordy in places. However, it might be better to first discuss this here, and to start pruning more slowly. But I'm inclined to agree that the sections "Professional Backpacking" and "Motivation" might well be deleted, or, at least, reduced to sentences elsewhere in the article. Rwood128 ( talk) 21:12, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
please see: Talk:Trekking#Article merge with redirect? - Nabla ( talk) 12:37, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Article merged: See old talk-page
here
References
Backpacking doesn't always involve wilderness, so the title is incorrect – any objections to changing it to, say Backpacking (on foot)? Furthermore, there is the question as to what is wilderness. Someone pointed out to me that what was outside a mountain hut high in the Alps was cow pasture! Rwood128 ( talk) 11:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't associate backpacking necessarily with camping, just carrying a rucsac on my back for more than one day: "the activity of travelling or going camping while carrying your clothes and other things that you need in a backpack" (Cambridge Dictionary). See the lead also. Rwood128 ( talk) 01:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC) A synonym for a walking tour; the kind that Wordsworth and Coleridge did. Rwood128 ( talk) 01:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to Backpacking (hiking) at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
— hike395 ( talk) 14:38, 17 November 2019 (UTC)—Relisting. Cúchullain t/ c 18:45, 26 November 2019 (UTC)