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Umm, doesn't "Natter" mean "Adder"? Not only does that make sense in terms of spelling, and that that term is what I find on every description of the aircraft I can find, but I also find it difficult to believe the Germans named their aircraft after a class that contains the garter snake... Maury 14:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
John Cornwell in Hitler's Scientists (P. 383) claims the Ba-349 became unstable after her rockets were expended. I've never seen this anywhere else; can somebody confirm he's wrong? Trekphiler 01:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
What evidence is there, for the statement that development of the Ba 349 was funded by the SS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oboroten ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
"Several sources claim that an operational unit of Natters was set up by volunteers in Kirchheim unter Teck but didn't carry out any operations, but the evidence for this is inconclusive."
My question is: who would have formed such an unit? The Allies or the Germans? Greetings, Krysiul ( talk) 13:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions the three survivors, and shows a replica in a museum in Germany. I saw another one at Kermit Week's Fantasy of Flight in Florida - does anybody know if that's an original or a replica? Ptomblin ( talk) 15:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Two explanations of the test-pilot's death are given. The one brought forward by e.g. Gooden, that the canopy opened and probably broke Sieber's neck since the headrest was part of it, is dismissed. Instead a far more complicated series of events is given: one booster fails to release, Sieber opens the canopy intending to jump but is talked down via radio (or did he try to jump but failed since the chute get stuck in the remaining booster?), but loses his direction in the clouds and eventually drives straight into the ground.
I would like to see some good sources for the longer explanation. The details don't even match each other. I also fail to understand the point of the following: "Photos were altered to hide the fact that a FuG16 radio was in the cockpit, used to order Sieber not to bail out." A picture of a radio in the cockpit gives no indication of how it was used. Hexmaster ( talk) 14:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I think the article would need a drawing. if you agree with FockeWulf FW 190 ( talk) 23:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)FockeWulf FW 190 FockeWulf FW 190 ( talk) 23:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC) place your comment here. Thank You
While it is correct that "Natter", in modern German, refers to non-venomous snakes of the colubrid family, this usage is no way applied consistently and independent of period. "Natter" is poetically and figuratively used for an "evil" venomous snake. The usual translation of a "brood of vipers" (biblical etc.) is "Natterngezücht". More concrete, the name is said to be inspired by Bachem reading Shakespeare The Tragedy of Julius Caesar, quote of Brutus:
The German translations use the term "Natter", example:
So it's perfectly correct to translate "Natter" with "adder" and also with "viper". The explanation in the article is to be adapted in this way. -- KnightMove ( talk) 21:21, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
The phrase "With a roar, the M23 rose out of a cloud of steam and rocket smoke straight up, displaying its camouflage paintwork." seemed out of keeping with the encyclopedic tone expected of Wikipedia articles. I did a quick Google search, and found 44 results. It's possible all are copied from Wikipedia, but I don't really have time to research each one looking for which might be original. Since the tone is somewhat unencyclopedic, my suspicion is that it was copied into Wikipedia from elsewhere. I'm hoping someone with more time / expertise than I can address this.
* Septegram* Talk* Contributions* 15:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah i'm almost certain that it is copy-pasted from somewhere but i do not know where it was ripped from. Maybe we can figure out who put it there and ask where he stole it from and remove it and replace it with actual information. 96.29.181.235 ( talk) 20:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
I ran a copyvios check and found nothing which was not copied from wikipedia. I do agree, however, that that sentence seems ripped from one of the source books. I removed it and rephrased the surrounding information independently of those sources. Themillofkeytone ( talk) 17:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I removed the title deliberately. What's the point of this? It strikes me as entirely redundant to the article title, less than an inch above and the caption down below?-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 00:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
"The template should have a large, bold title line."I do find them helpful myself, as I have field of view issues with my eyes, and thus don't find them redundant to the article's title. This may thus be an issue worth pursuing on accesibilty grounds. BilCat ( talk) 03:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
The opening paragraph says one; later in the article, it states that three more were accomplished. John D. Goulden ( talk) 21:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I've noticed that as well. I did a bit of research and found an article states that there were multiple manned launches. I'll fix the error. Springfield2020 ( talk) 14:33, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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Umm, doesn't "Natter" mean "Adder"? Not only does that make sense in terms of spelling, and that that term is what I find on every description of the aircraft I can find, but I also find it difficult to believe the Germans named their aircraft after a class that contains the garter snake... Maury 14:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
John Cornwell in Hitler's Scientists (P. 383) claims the Ba-349 became unstable after her rockets were expended. I've never seen this anywhere else; can somebody confirm he's wrong? Trekphiler 01:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
What evidence is there, for the statement that development of the Ba 349 was funded by the SS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oboroten ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
"Several sources claim that an operational unit of Natters was set up by volunteers in Kirchheim unter Teck but didn't carry out any operations, but the evidence for this is inconclusive."
My question is: who would have formed such an unit? The Allies or the Germans? Greetings, Krysiul ( talk) 13:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions the three survivors, and shows a replica in a museum in Germany. I saw another one at Kermit Week's Fantasy of Flight in Florida - does anybody know if that's an original or a replica? Ptomblin ( talk) 15:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Two explanations of the test-pilot's death are given. The one brought forward by e.g. Gooden, that the canopy opened and probably broke Sieber's neck since the headrest was part of it, is dismissed. Instead a far more complicated series of events is given: one booster fails to release, Sieber opens the canopy intending to jump but is talked down via radio (or did he try to jump but failed since the chute get stuck in the remaining booster?), but loses his direction in the clouds and eventually drives straight into the ground.
I would like to see some good sources for the longer explanation. The details don't even match each other. I also fail to understand the point of the following: "Photos were altered to hide the fact that a FuG16 radio was in the cockpit, used to order Sieber not to bail out." A picture of a radio in the cockpit gives no indication of how it was used. Hexmaster ( talk) 14:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I think the article would need a drawing. if you agree with FockeWulf FW 190 ( talk) 23:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)FockeWulf FW 190 FockeWulf FW 190 ( talk) 23:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC) place your comment here. Thank You
While it is correct that "Natter", in modern German, refers to non-venomous snakes of the colubrid family, this usage is no way applied consistently and independent of period. "Natter" is poetically and figuratively used for an "evil" venomous snake. The usual translation of a "brood of vipers" (biblical etc.) is "Natterngezücht". More concrete, the name is said to be inspired by Bachem reading Shakespeare The Tragedy of Julius Caesar, quote of Brutus:
The German translations use the term "Natter", example:
So it's perfectly correct to translate "Natter" with "adder" and also with "viper". The explanation in the article is to be adapted in this way. -- KnightMove ( talk) 21:21, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
The phrase "With a roar, the M23 rose out of a cloud of steam and rocket smoke straight up, displaying its camouflage paintwork." seemed out of keeping with the encyclopedic tone expected of Wikipedia articles. I did a quick Google search, and found 44 results. It's possible all are copied from Wikipedia, but I don't really have time to research each one looking for which might be original. Since the tone is somewhat unencyclopedic, my suspicion is that it was copied into Wikipedia from elsewhere. I'm hoping someone with more time / expertise than I can address this.
* Septegram* Talk* Contributions* 15:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah i'm almost certain that it is copy-pasted from somewhere but i do not know where it was ripped from. Maybe we can figure out who put it there and ask where he stole it from and remove it and replace it with actual information. 96.29.181.235 ( talk) 20:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
I ran a copyvios check and found nothing which was not copied from wikipedia. I do agree, however, that that sentence seems ripped from one of the source books. I removed it and rephrased the surrounding information independently of those sources. Themillofkeytone ( talk) 17:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I removed the title deliberately. What's the point of this? It strikes me as entirely redundant to the article title, less than an inch above and the caption down below?-- Sturmvogel 66 ( talk) 00:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
"The template should have a large, bold title line."I do find them helpful myself, as I have field of view issues with my eyes, and thus don't find them redundant to the article's title. This may thus be an issue worth pursuing on accesibilty grounds. BilCat ( talk) 03:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
The opening paragraph says one; later in the article, it states that three more were accomplished. John D. Goulden ( talk) 21:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I've noticed that as well. I did a bit of research and found an article states that there were multiple manned launches. I'll fix the error. Springfield2020 ( talk) 14:33, 5 March 2021 (UTC)